Luft.panzer oversea cap

[Dan46]

I know this may be too good to be true; but need opinions.The story that goes with this is also true.Got this & some other stuff from a 92 year old vet.All the other stuff I know is good; but this is rare.Let me know what everyone thinks?
Dan46

[Dan46]

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[Dan46]

Inside has something stamped but cannot make out?

[galizien41]

I am not a believer, for a number of reasons. It is an army style cap, not Luft to start with, but any pics of the grommets from the interior.

[Dan46]

Here is both sides. one has a little rust.

[Dan46]

So; its bad?

[derka]

So; its bad?

Yes
derka

[galizien41]

I would say so. Look at this thread and compare to a good one. You can notice the many differences immediately.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...nzer+o%2Fs+cap

[17thairborne]

I am not a believer, for a number of reasons. It is an army style cap, not Luft to start with, but any pics of the grommets from the interior.

Did not many of the panzer men come over to help form GH Pz Div? I understand they used strictly army uniforms w/ LR insignia sewn onto them, First we must establish if the cap is original German WW2, then proceed from there.

I am not seasoned enough to determine that.


There is probably no way of knowing if the cap was from an Army panzer man who transferred to HG when the unit was forming.

[OSS]

Did not many of the panzer men come over to help form GH Pz Div? I understand they used strictly army uniforms w/ LR insignia sewn onto them, First we must establish if the cap is original German WW2, then proceed from there.

I am not seasoned enough to determine that.


There is probably no way of knowing if the cap was from an Army panzer man who transferred to HG when the unit was forming.

This is wishful thinking in my view; the HG Pz. Rgt. was not formed until 1943 when soutaches were no longer applied (and existing ones were ordered removed).

[Dan46]

My thanks to all of you for your opinions.I will hold on to the cap & bring it to the SOS for more hand on inspection.
Dan46

[Mark Gibson]

Even if it had army insignia it wouldn't change the fact that the base cap is a fake.

Mark

[OSS]

Even if it had army insignia it wouldn't change the fact that the base cap is a fake.

Mark

Yes, and then there is that.

[17thairborne]

Even if it had army insignia it wouldn't change the fact that the base cap is a fake.

Mark

That is what I was waiting for..a comment on the base cap, which I am still learning about.

Back to the HG data: According to Bender and Peterson's book, it was in late 42 when the formation expansion began and a large cadre of experienced Army Panzer men were moved to the LW.

"From this date, the variants and non-regulation wearing of mixed uniforms (Army and Luftwaffe) transpired. Many Army personnel wished to keep thier identities with thier former branc..and therefore continued to wear some remanant Army clothing of insignia. " p, 130.