Allgemeine-SS NCO Cap Opinions

[SPQR]

Agree with others collectors, a beautiful one.
Congrats

[BenVK]

Always wanted one with a champagne liner. Beautiful cap.

[Sayle F]

Ss Em

Very nice, not often seen. And a member of the staff of the race and Settlement Main Office (R.u.S Hauptamt) Very Kool!!! A Baddie for sure

[Dan P]

Thanks for the opinions and comments guys

What would be the probable year of manufacture for this cap?

[BenVK]

The Rasse-und Siedlungshauptamt department of the SS was formed in Jan 1935 but assuming the cap always had the second pattern insignia, it have would date it at least a year later in 36. That would fit I think because, as I understand it, the silk interior NCO caps were phased out and replaced by the more common orange oilcloth variety as we get to around 1937/38.
If you can decifer the guys name, you should be able to trace his service history with some research.

[Dan P]

The Rasse-und Siedlungshauptamt department of the SS was formed in Jan 1935 but assuming the cap always had the second pattern insignia, it have would date it at least a year later in 36. That would fit I think because, as I understand it, the silk interior NCO caps were phased out and replaced by the more common orange oilcloth variety as we get to around 1937/38.
If you can decifer the guys name, you should be able to trace his service history with some research.

Thanks for the excellent info Ben and I do plan to research the name....if I can figure it out.

[Robert H]

A very nice original Schirmmütze !

[derek]

The style of lining cannot help with the date in my opinion. The two types run concurrently as they represent the two levels of caps available for purchase by NCO's and men. The higher quality hat with a cream lining became known as the "Eigentumsmuetze" by the late thirties. It cost about 20 pfennigs more than the standard service cap with orange waterproof lining.
I have tried to assign the code number on the tag to dates, but with no luck so far.
The chinstrap stamp is your best bet as a guide.
Derek

[BenVK]

Thanks for correcting me Derek. Also, very good point about checking the chinstrap, didn''t think of that.

[Robert H]

Derek is right

[BenVK]

Derek, can you ID the maker for us?

Any chance of emailing me that list as well some day?

[Robert H]

the Holy Maker list

Difficult to say who is the maker, could be a Wagner or maybe a Müller ...

[derek]

And the winner is... Robert, with August Mueller.

[Antiquefrog]

Great thread. So let me ask, how would you guys value a correct silk-lined cap versus the standard oilcloth version?

[BenVK]

I'd pay more for a silk lined one everytime.