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    Reconstructed SS smoke troops visor

    Here is an alleged smoke troops SS visor that I obtained many years ago. I don't have very high hopes for it as the insignia is apparently fake and the cap itself seems to have undergone quite a bit of reconstructive surgery. It appears the lining and sweatband have been replaced and the visor itself may be either a replacement or, at very least, seems to have been re-attached. I'm not a big fan of the orange color on the underside of the visor. I am not sure what photos would be the best to get opinions, so if specific shots that I don't have posted here would help, please let me know. Thanks for any help in advance.
    Richard V










    Last edited by Richard; 01-14-2008, 06:34 PM.

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    The cap has multiple flaws including a post war sweatband and visor but the biggest problem isn’t the visor itself. It is the waffenfarbe.

    Now one of you SS guys correct me if I am wrong but there was no smoke troops in the SS in 1940. In fact I am not sure there was ever SS smoke troops.

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      #3
      Thanks for the comments. I figured the entire interior had been replaced, though I did not know when. What is the tip off that the sweatband is post war? The stitching holding the sweatband and liining in place sure doesn't look like anything I have ever seen in an original cap. Is it the orange color that is the tip off to the visor as being post war and also the fact there is no pattern of any kind on the underside?

      Wasn't there a smoke troops detachment of the SS in Kursk? If this isn't SS or smoke troops, what would this hat have been at one time? Was anything like this ever used post war?
      Richard V
      Last edited by Richard; 01-14-2008, 10:29 PM.

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        #4
        From memory the SS-Werfer Abteilung weren't formed until well after the 1940 piped visor decree came and went.

        Ian.

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          #5
          These pics are very pixelated making it tough to see vital areas. Personally, I would be very concerned about a cap that has been altered, and even more worried that it's an SS cap with colored waffenfarbe.

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            #6
            I have serious doubts about this cap, historically and technically. The Nebelwerfer troops for the Waffen-SS weren't assembled until sometime in late 1941 / early 1942. The first 5 Waffen-SS divisions had werfer outfits (LSSAH, Das Reich, Totenkopf, SS-Polizei-Division and Wiking). There is some information about a werfer battalion with the 11. SS-Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadier-Division "Nordland". In my opinion, a werfer branch service cap never existed.

            Bob

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              #7
              Originally posted by Kreager View Post
              These pics are very pixelated making it tough to see vital areas. Personally, I would be very concerned about a cap that has been altered, and even more worried that it's an SS cap with colored waffenfarbe.
              I'm still trying to get the hang of my new scanner and program. On my home computer I get somewhat of a pixelated image like you but on my computer at work they look fine.

              If this isn't a WWII period cap, what type of cap might this have been and for what period? Would someone create this thing with such an odd waffenfarbe? What areas can I photograph that would be best to provide for a more complete examination?
              Richard V

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                #8
                More than likley whay you have here is a repoduction SS visor that someone tried to add a period lining to. It could also be a full on repro that was aged. Need to see more of the inside to know for sure like under the sweatband.

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                  #9
                  Probably is an messed up from a WH hat.
                  Carlo

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Richard View Post
                    Would someone create this thing with such an odd waffenfarbe?
                    Richard V
                    Yes unfortunitly crooks do. They know an SS cap with colored waffenfarbe will fetch big bucks to the unknowing collector. Total crime.

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                      #11
                      Hmm. Interesting as I bought this years ago and it wasn't anywhere near big bucks. I'll try to get some more shots of the interior.
                      Richard V

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                        #12
                        They would make an SS chaplains if they had a chance.

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                          #13
                          There might be one other possibility. An original Polizei visor with a black or dyed black band and a messed with interior? The wool sure looks like Police green to me.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Richard View Post
                            Would someone create this thing with such an odd waffenfarbe?
                            Rumour has it that the fakers have even created a GPF cap. Clever fakirs!!

                            I've seen one, more fantasy than the never ending story!!!!
                            Last edited by sturmbannfuhrer; 01-16-2008, 10:14 AM. Reason: spelling mistake

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                              #15
                              Ok here are some more pics but I don't think they turned out very well. My old digital just doesn't take good close ups. The material is a heavy wool like material. If this was a police at one time, someone went to a lot of trouble for an inexpensive price. The piping at the top would have had to have been entirely replaced as well as the 2 piping stripes around the band. The piping is definitely a burgundy color, not red or rust. The band appears to be very firmly attached, not loose as if someone added extra material to an existing cap. The piping is the original color. One can see that it was not dyed in place as there is no indication of any color bleed to the adjacent areas. The headband over which the black felt is placed has a pattern similar to the backings in PL tabs, It is interesting that some areas of the cap appear to be well constructed but others (such as the visor and liner) appear poorly added.

                              Ben, the green is deceiving on the photos as I have lightened the pictures. It is a very dark green. It is much darker than the green on my polizei tunic and closer in hue (but a bit greener) than my Heer tunic.
                              Richard V








                              Last edited by Richard; 01-16-2008, 07:51 PM.

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