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    How many capmakers ?

    How many capmakers were there?

    I have a note somewhere from 1936 saying that at that time there were about 40-50 professional capmaking firms around.

    #2
    That sounds about right. Does it list names?

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      #3
      No, only the note that regulations needed to be communicated correctly because with this number of capmakers mistakes would otherwise be easy to make.

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        #4
        In the Wilkins book Gary states there were 90 makers in 1939. Here's a list I don't believe it's a complete list.
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          #5
          Ernst,
          I don't know what type of hat makers are being referred to in your document, but I would suspect it is something quite specific as the number is far too low to be realistic.
          I can only imagine that Gary Wilkins meant that at the time of writing he had identified 90 as opposed to that being the number of makers, as the number is considerably higher.
          Period information indicates appproximately 900 hat makers and manufacturers in 1938. Possibly more.
          Can you post your note?
          Derek

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            #6
            Originally posted by derek View Post
            Ernst,
            I don't know what type of hat makers are being referred to in your document, but I would suspect it is something quite specific as the number is far too low to be realistic.
            I can only imagine that Gary Wilkins meant that at the time of writing he had identified 90 as opposed to that being the number of makers, as the number is considerably higher.
            Period information indicates appproximately 900 hat makers and manufacturers in 1938. Possibly more.
            Can you post your note?
            Derek
            I agree completely with Derek

            With regard to the above list...all the lists are to be taken with great care. For instance, see in this case:
            - the duplication between Hutrika (non-existent) and Kurt Triebel of Kassel (real maker);
            - the information about Otto Dittmann of Dresden under the simple abbreviation Marke ODD;
            - the information about Willy Rohe of Koblenz under the simple monogram VIRO...
            I pass over the insertion of names like Emil Wolsdorff or Rudolf Ruf...

            In my opinion the lists are only to be seen as good starting points for the collectors and scholars owns investigations on period sources.

            best regards

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              #7
              What makes this real complicated is you have true cap makers and distributors. I am not too sure what the distributors actually did but they were numerous. Then you have LAGO’s and AGO’s which I still don’t really get.

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                #8
                Originally posted by NTZ View Post
                What makes this real complicated is you have true cap makers and distributors. I am not too sure what the distributors actually did but they were numerous. Then you have LAGO’s and AGO’s which I still don’t really get.
                Yes Nick, I agree I'm convinced the mere commercial distributors were more numerous than the industrial manufacturers.

                About the wartime makers' unions, that you quote, they used several titles. I think it's time to start a thread to thoroughly examine their history!

                best regards

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                  #9
                  Here is the type that throws me. I picked this little gem off Albert on estand. The sweatband is clearly a Clemens Wagner. Globus is a maker. So was this cap made under contract from Clemens Wagner as many of their visors were or did Globus just license the Clemens Wagner sweatband? Then again maybe Globus was a distributor I just don’t know.
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                    sweatband
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                      #11
                      thanks for all the replies

                      I cannot find the 1936 note right now. Will keep looking, can't seem to find the right page.

                      I do agree with all that the number most likely was higher than 40-50


                      In another article I found I read that there (probably)were two big capmakers clubs:
                      1) "Fachuntergruppe Mützenindustrie in der Wirtschaftsgruppe Bekleidungsindustrie"
                      2) Vereinigung der Deutsche Mützenindustrie E.V. im Reichsverband der Deutschen Bekleidungsindustrie e.V."

                      The first (fachuntergruppe) is mentioned in the article as having 254 members.

                      the article is from November 1936

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