Officers Wool M43 Cap

[Glenn McInnes]

Exactly the same in my eyes as well Mike.






Glenn

[djpool]

Mike no doubt it is the same insignia. Since this insignia only appears on this style of M43 it authenticates both items.

Its unlikely some faker dreamed up the insignia and hat decades before anyone even had photographic evidence.

With the accounts of Vet acquisitions which were disregarded in this study the evidence is now overwhelming.

Certainly a lot of other items are regarded as original with far less evidence.

WR Jim

Another rudimentary comparison using PhotoShop - Mr Petz's wartime photo on left, Mr McInnes' recreation photo (from his collection) on the right.

They look much the same to my eye.

I'd be interested in hearing from the remaining skeptics what tangible differences between the two I may be missing...

[B. N. Singer]

Another rudimentary comparison using PhotoShop - Mr Petz's wartime photo on left, Mr McInnes' recreation photo (from his collection) on the right.

They look much the same to my eye.

I'd be interested in hearing from the remaining skeptics what tangible differences between the two I may be missing...

Thank you for the Very nice comparison Mike (embroidery does seem off). Looks like there can be only the obvious conclusion, fake picture!

B. N. Singer

[Mike Davis]

I knew that I could rely on you to not throw in the towel!

Seriously though, you wrote in an earlier post that the roundels when compared seemed to be different and above you wrote that the 'embroidery does seem off'.

I can appreciate that it is very difficult to measure with exact precision, say the comparative width of the roundel's different circles using these low resolution images.

Anyway for some reason, I'm not seeing what you're seeing - the embroidery looks to be very close indeed if not identical, even down to the off angle of the swastika's left upper arm.

So, can you elaborate on the differences between the two that you're seeing?

I can certainly appreciate your well-reasoned reservations based on a) the numbers of these caps around and b) the consistent condition in which they are found (not to mention the construction anomolies) but surely Mr Petz's photo changes the discussion altogether....

[B. N. Singer]

I knew that I could rely on you to not throw in the towel!

Seriously though, you wrote in an earlier post that the roundels when compared seemed to be different and above you wrote that the 'embroidery does seem off'.

I can appreciate that it is very difficult to measure with exact precision, say the comparative width of the roundel's different circles using these low resolution images.

Anyway for some reason, I'm not seeing what you're seeing - the embroidery looks to be very close indeed if not identical, even down to the off angle of the swastika's left upper arm.

So, can you elaborate on the differences between the two that you're seeing?

I can certainly appreciate your well-reasoned reservations based on a) the numbers of these caps around and b) the consistent condition in which they are found (not to mention the construction anomolies) but surely Mr Petz's photo changes the discussion altogether....

Not sure why anybody should be concerned with what I think. I doubt I would be, with one "holdout" and the rest in favor of; but perhaps I should be flattered at the thought.

Let us just say that I prefer to remain in "comfortable denial" with these particular examples.

B. N. Singer

[billbert]

Owners of these hotly debated caps with appreciate a new wrinkle to the debate.. The foto I post will show a cap I acquired around 1980.. Owners will note (or take my word as its an OLD kodak foto)..The cap is identical in construction to these caps..also same piping and buttons.. also had a full 1 inch or so handsewn sweatband which had cracked in several spots due to useage/storage.. It was in a tight weave HBT type material and this one had a beaitiful flatwire gold toned "T" eagle sewn trap style.. either coastal art officers or mt troops/jaeger style (enjoy)...Billbert

[Lenny W]

thanks for sharing this with the team billbert

[djpool]

Thats nice. Some where I did a comparison between the eagle on the officers cap and a KM cap eagle. They were identical. This only furthers my belief that a hat maker who was contracted to do Naval hats also did the subject hats. WR Jim

Owners of these hotly debated caps with appreciate a new wrinkle to the debate.. The foto I post will show a cap I acquired around 1980.. Owners will note (or take my word as its an OLD kodak foto)..The cap is identical in construction to these caps..also same piping and buttons.. also had a full 1 inch or so handsewn sweatband which had cracked in several spots due to useage/storage.. It was in a tight weave HBT type material and this one had a beaitiful flatwire gold toned "T" eagle sewn trap style.. either coastal art officers or mt troops/jaeger style (enjoy)...Billbert

[B. N. Singer]

... The foto I post will show a cap I acquired around 1980...

Sure wish I could handle that one Billy.

B. N. Singer

[billbert]

Its out there in collectorland somewhere........ Billbert

[billbert]

I also wanted to point out..the cap I posted in green hbt shared this anomaly with the ones in this thread and the post card also...the sideways vvvvvvv overlap stitch at base of cap body near bill..I think its runs the whole cap and may hold the liner in.. note the foto 139 and the postcard 264 to see this..draw the postcard in to see it better... Billbert

[billbert]

btt

[Richard P]

Billbert,

Very cool cap, as Bryon said..." I sure would like to see that one in hand". I'd even go one further and say I would love to add it into my fakes that only I could love gallery.

Richard

[all1knew]

thought I would post this framed patch grouping I recently picked up. Doesn't prove anything and there's no story behind it but this is how I got it....

I'll take a quick scan of it for you guys. The insignia has the right smell to it if you know what I mean.

William Kramer

[all1knew]

with a lighter red, almost rose pink center. Showing front and back photos of the patch after I pulled the majority of the glue off.