New thoughts about identifying this buckle?

[klr]

Hello In Angolia's Revised edition he says a buckle like this would be for the NSKK Motor Sports School. Kirby

[klr]

Reverse of 2nd example. Kirby

[KC1]

David,

It is very good to have you back within the forum. Your contributions and photos have been missed.

I agree with your assessment that your buckles are part of the National Socialist Motor Corps, associated within the Sturmabteilung branch.

I believe the SA branches had some of the most multifarious types of buckles and manufactors which has always allowed for these type of discussions to take part. That being said, your aluminum buckles are very interesting. First, as SA buckles go, one doesn't (at least for me) see the aluminum that often. Most are constructed of brass, nickle, nickle silver and nickle plated. You can correct me on this but does the area inside the wreath of the first alum look to be pebbled while the other is not? Your third buckle, the 2-piece (nickle silver) is very interesting as I will need your guidance on this but is the maker mark an earlier version of Paulmann & Crone? I have not seen this particular mark before and this of course is at best a guess on my part it being a PuC. Also the thin roping of the roundel itself on the 2-piece is different from the stamped versions which are thicker.

Very nice buckles all in all.

Dan

[KC1]

Kirby,

Very nice buckles you have shared. I am appreciating your collection more every day.

Dan

[Chad Williams]

Outstanding buckles guys!!! David, it is a wonderful to see you back and posting again!!! Chad

[Ric Ferrari]

NSFK buckle nickel made

My little contribution to this amazing thread : just a variant of a well known buckle.

Best

Ric

[Ric Ferrari]

NSFK buckle nickel made

My little contribution to this amazing thread : just a variant of a well known buckle.

Best

Ric

Back side

[DaveG]

Welcome back, David. I always look forward to your posts. I hope this latest post heralds many more to come.

Dave

[Ssteve]

Here's my only example which I was told was a NSKK buckle, but it looks like Peter Nash pg.379 describes this buckle as a SA/SS Fliegersturm?

So your guess is as good as mine?

[Ssteve]

reverse....

[David North]

Many thanks for the various contributions to this quite interesting thread and for the kind words in connection with the return of the Prodigal Son.

A remarkable and still enigmatic buckle.

Kirby and Steve - brilliant examples shown and in quite superb condition. Steve, extremely nervous still about the buckle being ascribed the grandiose description of SA/SS Fliegersturm and despite what the reference books may say. I suppose that this description (with others), was one of the prime mover toward generating the thread. In relation to the smaller size eagle buckle, there are minor variations to the actual physical design.

Dan, as you have quite rightly highlighted, a pebbled and non pebbled background behind the swastikas. There are also differences by the eagle design and in particular, the head.

Kirby, who is this maker? Rudolf Fischer or Nichols und Raimund? By the way, that non pebbled buckle that you show is an absolute stunner. A wonderfully eccentric and "cottage industry" design, although I think that the buckle is a "white metal" SA. A madly rare and very unusual design though.

Dan, I do not think that the two piece buckle is displaying the logo for the maker P und C. I have never seen this mark before and it is interesting to be supported by the RZM. It provides a clue about the date, although a period of confusion for the manufacturers as we all know.

Ric, thanks for the images. Again an important buckle to the thread and I for one, have never seen this type of brazed catch, on this particular buckle in nickle silver.

Regards,

David

[Ric Ferrari]

Many thanks for the various contributions to this quite interesting thread and for the kind words in connection with the return of the Prodigal Son.

A remarkable and still enigmatic buckle.

Kirby and Steve - brilliant examples shown and in quite superb condition. Steve, extremely nervous still about the buckle being ascribed the grandiose description of SA/SS Fliegersturm and despite what the reference books may say. I suppose that this description (with others), was one of the prime mover toward generating the thread. In relation to the smaller size eagle buckle, there are minor variations to the actual physical design.

Dan, as you have quite rightly highlighted, a pebbled and non pebbled background behind the swastikas. There are also differences by the eagle design and in particular, the head.

Kirby, who is this maker? Rudolf Fischer or Nichols und Raimund? By the way, that non pebbled buckle that you show is an absolute stunner. A wonderfully eccentric and "cottage industry" design, although I think that the buckle is a "white metal" SA. A madly rare and very unusual design though.

Dan, I do not think that the two piece buckle is displaying the logo for the maker P und C. I have never seen this mark before and it is interesting to be supported by the RZM. It provides a clue about the date, although a period of confusion for the manufacturers as we all know.

Ric, thanks for the images. Again an important buckle to the thread and I for one, have never seen this type of brazed catch, on this particular buckle in nickle silver.

Regards,

David

David,

since it seems the Prodigal Son has definitively come back (and in very good form), I'm very happy for it : without you the Forum was evidently unbalanced on Combat buckles to the detriment of Paramilitary ones, without consider you are a precious reference for both the subjects.

Regards

Ric

[Guymauve]

Hi David, I think that your aluminium buckles are for NSKK Motorschulen (maybe for SA Schulen too?). You have one with olive paint on the reverse, that was the colour of their uniforms.
Nice buckles
Cheers

[buckle1]

David,

I echo the other members. Welcome back and some very nice buckles.

Bill