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    Stamped Silver and Gold Wound Badges

    Are stamped silver and gold wound badges real?


    I am sure we have all heard of these stamped silver and gold wound badges, that supposedly were made late war to save on supplies or something. Im sorry, but I have a hard time believing this, and heres why.

    The argument that they were made late war is obviously an assumption derived from the cheap maufacture of what was once a heavy badge. It seems to me that if it was late war, there would be plenty of them around. How much more common are late war zink badges of commonality, like the IAB or GAB as opposed to early buntmetal or bronze/brass types?

    These supposed stamped wound badges never have an applied finish, always natural metal, such as steel and brass. Though brass was used au natural on several war badges, it certainly wouldnt have been readliy accessible late war. It probably would have actually been cheaper to just dip a zinc badge in gold color than using sheet brass. That writes off the gold ones, but what about the silver ones? Granted, you can polish steel so it shines, and possibly clear coat it, but doing so would rub off the details on the badge. I just cant see any manufacturer using a regular steel colored badge as a substitute for silver.

    These could have actually never been finished with the black paint, so removal wasnt necessary. It would be highly likely that Allied soldiers, when securing a town, would come across these badge factories and have the opertunity to grab badges in all forms of completion, including un-painted. I also think this may explain KM badges with no finish applied, among others. When they got there, that was it...no more badge making. Let the looting begin.

    Would not there have to be a decree of some sort from the Reich Chancellory stating the new way to make "late war" gold and silver stamped wound badges? I just cant see some company taking up themselves to blow off the official standards and start stamping these out.

    Am I missing something? What are other thoughts on this?

    Accidentally offending people on the internet since 1997


    #2
    Hi Mark,

    Good question and subject!

    I don't buy this either. We know that the solid wound badges (be it silver or gold) were being manufactured late in the war. There seems to be no problems obtaining zinc for badge manufacturing and therefore no reason to switch from solid zinc to stamped steel.

    Further, surely steel would have been harder to get than zinc, so why where the late stamped black would badges not made from zinc (or where they?)?

    I don't recall ever seeing a zinc, hollow stamped, wound badge...

    I think in all these cases, the award started of as a black wound badge and then the finish removed and another finish applied, or the base metal polished to fraudulently pass the badge of as a higher class (i.e. not done at the time of manufacturer, but after the war).

    As always, these are my opinions, as I have no proof on this subject.
    I would be interested to hear from anyone with a direct veteran purchase where the silver or gold wound badge is hollow stamped.

    Rich
    Interested in hand-stitched EM/NCO LW insignia and cuff-titles
    Decorations of Germany

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      #3
      Dear Mark & Rich,

      Not vet obtained, but "good dealer obtained". I know that doesn´t prove anything but I rather tend to believe these existed. Mine is iron with a good silver plated finish (no wash).

      Cheers, Frank H.
      Cheers, Frank

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        #4
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        Cheers, Frank

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          #5
          Hello,

          i purchased a konvolut including a silver wound badge, awarded in April 1945. This badge is a standard, solid badge made of zinc.
          Variations of hollow stamped pieces may exist.

          Greetings

          Heinrich

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            #6
            @Munich

            Your badge seems to be made by the "Hauptmünzamt Wien", marker mark "30". (Needle, catch...)

            Greetings

            Heinrich

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              #7
              Frank where the badge is original the only question I would have is the plating post war. From the pitted condition of the base metal on the swastica and the scrach in the helmet under the plated surface tells me that it was post war on a old steel badge IMO from the pictures shown.....jnoble

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                #8
                What happened to all the detail on that badge? No veins in the leaves, the little dots look like they have flattened tops. I dont mean to bash your badge, Frank, but did you notice that? It looks like it has been "messed with".

                Accidentally offending people on the internet since 1997

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                  #9
                  Dear Mark,

                  You are right and these "rubbed" parts do not feature the silver plating anymore. Here the iron is visible, strangely it didn´t rust (steel?). At least it is magnetic.
                  Ok, ok, I admit maybe not the best exampe to prove the theory, but it is my belief there is a good chance silver and gold hollow print badges existed pre 1945.

                  Cheers, Frank H.
                  Cheers, Frank

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                    #10
                    Frank;

                    Silly question what are the redish patches we can see on the reverse of your WB?



                    Dez

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                      #11
                      Dear Dez,

                      This is oxidization on the silver plating. Would go away with cleaning.

                      Cheers, Frank H.
                      Cheers, Frank

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                        #12
                        Interesting topic.

                        I agree with most of Mark's thoughts.

                        As for Frank's badge we have discussed this before,the finish it's possible applied post war. No doubt's for the badge a genuine and typical "L/21" badge.
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                          #13
                          Im not an expert in this but when I travelled around in Lithuania this summer I found a gold wound badge hollowback. Im not 100% it was original but I do belive so. I don´t know if this will help but still.......

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                            #14
                            Here are some pics of a stamped silver wound badge that I bought from a vets sons years ago,I believe it is of early manufacture and might have some silver content which has tarnished over the years,this is clearly silver,there are no markings of any type.Jay Parisi
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                              #15
                              stamped gold wound badge

                              Interesting thread. I have an unmarked imperial stamped badge that I thought was a good one. Also, I'm thinking of buying this ww2 one. Any thoughts on these? Thanks.
                              Fred
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