Some wide-pinned Wound Badges

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

Given that the vast majority of Wound Badges have needle pins and some of the better repros have coke-bottled pins (raised L/63 and L/14 examples), I thought I'd give some of the less common but imo genuine variants a showing. So for interest's sake, the wide-pinned Wound Badge variants from my collection are imaged below. Keep in mind that I'm only aiming at 2nd (standard) pattern 1939 Wound Badges and I've used Silver grades as examples

Top Left - the standard and relatively common wide-pinned "30", this example in plated tombak. As an aside regarding condition, this one has been cleaned (none of the others have been though).

Top Right - a variation of the wide-pinned "30". Note that this pin tapers from top to bottom whereas the other example is constant width. This example is either nickel-silver or very heavily plated tombak.

Middle Left - an L/17. Very heavily plated tombak.

Middle Right - an L24 (raised marking, no slash). Semi-hollow zinc example. This example also has the block hinge common on EK1s. (Thanks again for this one J!).

Bottom Left - an L/52 (stamped in a box, center of the reverse). Zinc badge. Note the hinge/hingeplate and catch/catchplate are recessed and exactly the same hardware as found on their 20 marked DKs.

Bottom Right - the uncommon and slightly oversized variant with the "Wernstein-like" hinge. This example is stamped L/60 (differing thoughts as to whether pre- or post-war stamped). Plated tombak.

If anybody has other variants they'd like to share, please post away!

Regards
Mike K

[Chrvip68]

Hey Mike,

Intresting thread and you opened the pandora's box

First of all nice looking WB's but i want to take the opportunity and post clear pics of your L/52 WB for reference because i've never seen before L/52 WB.

For the 'L/60' award you posted, i know this type as not maker marked WBs and i always thought that was a maybe Wernstein type due to the hinge/catch/pin assembly, exist both in hollow and solid issue.
Finally these types are attributed in my opinion to the Deschler & Son (L/10) firm if you compare them side by side you will see what i mean, the only difference is the back assemblies on this version (3 different types are known). Pics will follow for your reference.

As for the variaty of wide pins i'll take a look at my WBs and i'll post pics later if i have any other type.

[Chrvip68]

Two more pin variation:

The 1st is L24 and the second is double maker marked L/21.

[Chrvip68]

The Deschler & Son WB family

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The left WB is double maker marked and notice the hinge's base that can fit the 'Werstein' hinge type, very intresting.

[Mike Kenny]

Hi Chris,

Hopefully this isn't a Pandora's box - more of a clarification between original and repro wide-pinned examples!

Some better L/52 Wound Badge pics have been loaded elsewhere on the forum.

I knew I'd seen another wide-pinned L24 variant somewhere (and I'm also aware of the needle-pinned L24 variant). The L/21 is nice to see - another one to try and find!

Re the L/10, that's interesting. I have no problems with the badge re authenticity. The hinge recess may indeed accomodate the Wernstein-like hinge (but if so, why isn't the hinge recessed?) but it does not look like the large catch recess could be hidden by the catchplate of the L/60 (and more commonly unmarked) type. I suspect two different reverse dies are involved, and as it is not uncommon for the obverse characteristics of wound badges to be the same for different companies (eg the "30" and L/17 share the same obverse with the same raised "vein"/flaw on the inner leaf at the 01:30 position - so do several other makers), it may be that BOTH Brehmer and Deschler (and possibly even Wernstein - as your Black grade has a typical Wernstien PIN as well as hinge/catch/catchplate) produced these badges.

Something else re your L/10 and unmarked Silver; the L/10 looks like a zincer, correct? Can you tell if your unmarked Silver is zinc or tombak? Weight helped me decide my example was tombak (30.49 g, < 0.1 g lighter than my definitely tombak gold - but unmarked - example).

Regards
Mike K

[Chrvip68]

Hi Mike,

Yes some companies had some cooperation indeed, i have a silver tombak L/13 stamped WB and the pin is maker marked 117! Manufacturers that are not from the same area, intresting.

On the L/10 the hinge is of somekind recessed but as i told earlier the Wernstein hinge can be perfectly fit on the badge and this was the reason for first place to fit such hinge but for some other reason they put different one, i can't tell the same for the catch though.

The L/10 is indeed a zinker with weight 25.6 gr and the unmarked is made from non ferrous material and the weight is 30.6 gr.

[Ludwig]

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I once had an L24 (don´t remember if it was with or without slash). it was very light weighted!

[Ian Lim]

Hello Mike and Chris,

Great thread you guys started.

Here is my heavily used wide pinned Silver wound badge by L57 to share

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