Political leader ortsgruppen tunic

[leona]

Hi guys, I own this uniform. It's nearly mint. Now I read a lot about patterns, etc... Which pattern we are talking about here? Which period is this uniform?

Now I want to look for a hat. Which hat suits to thuis uniform? Do you have pics of such a hat?

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[leona]

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[Br. James]

A very nice PL uniform set, bearing the Hauptstellenleiter tabs of the Orts Level, according to the 1936-39 PL Uniform Code. As a PL uniform collector, you need to have our WAF colleague Jeff Clark's comprehensive reference book, "Uniforms of the NSDAP," in your library; it will provide answers for all your questions -- as well as for questions you haven't even thought up yet!

One further note: this is not a "Political Leader Ortsgruppen Tunic," it is the Traditions Brown Shirt Uniform of a Political Leader of an Ortsgruppe.

Cheers,

Br. James

[leona]

Hi James, I'm not really a pl collector so every information about this uniform is quite welcome. I appreciate your answer very much. Further information for sure is welcome!!!

Now I still wonder, which schirmmütze I have to look for??

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[JoeW]

A visor cap similar to this one, but with light blue piping to match the blouse would be suitable for your PL.

[Br. James]

I fully agree with our colleague, JoeW, and you might also find the following website helpful for identifying PL collar tabs:

http://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/CT1W.php

Cheers,

Br. James

[rrvroman]

In my opinion these tabs are first pattern 1933-34 ZELLENWART collar tabs with two short silver braids on light brown fabric without piping being upgraded with light blue piping to accommodate second 1934-36 or third 1936-38 pattern regulation - two long silver braids on light brown velvet vs fabric, for ZELLENLEITER or HAUPTSTELLENLEITER accordingly.

[sgstandard]

PL Uniform

Good catch!!
Ist-pattern (1933-1934) Zellenwart tabs were made of brown fabric + the silver bars are much shorter than 2nd-pattern, which used light brown velvet. Usually, breeches are added to collections and rarely actually came with the uniform......but the breeches appear to be early, as well, so maybe they ARE a set.
As for the armband........it's probably original, but I'm not sure if the addition of lt. blue collar piping necessitated blue armband piping.
My guess, is that it's ok as is.
Please, someone else elaborate.

[leona]

Thx guys.

Very interesting uniform, this pl. I think the last 2 reactions are for sure correct. My uniform was actually the first pattern, but was upgraded afterwards. Now I wonder, the uniform version 1934-1936 was it also already with blue piping? Or was the uniform of 1936 and later the first with the blue piping?

And than another question? The first pattern pl visor was introduced in 1934. That visor had the early eagle and no velvet. Till when was that first pattern visor allowed to be worn? Was that also with the 1936 pattern uniform?

For example, the collector guide (German militaria) sells a first pattern visor. Was this visor allowed to be worn with my uniform?

Greetzzz

[sgstandard]

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According to Angolia's "Cloth Insignia of The SA and NSDAP", there's no mention of piping on the 1933-era collar tabs, and the representative examples shown do NOT have piping.
But there WAS silver piping around the collar, which was changed to lt. blue in 1934.
As for the visor cap...
1. In 1936.....The 1929 pattern eagle was replaced by a larger eagle with rounded wings, and the cockade was changed to the pattern with the black swastika in the center, surrounded by a silver/aluminum rim with an outer rim of red plastic or fiber.
2. In 1938, the cap bands changed to dark brown velvet at all levels.
YOUR cap to match uniform should have:
1. Lt. Blue piping.
2. 1933 visor originally was black....gradually changed to brown.
3. Twist-cord chin strap in same color as collar insignia.
4. Lt. Brown velvet band.

[Toby Curls]

First of all, Leona I love the set .

I am new to the forum, and must say highly impressed. Now I know how much I don't know, and how much I should know, to know.

After the photos I thought lovely clean outfit, would love to have it. Than not suspecting I read more, and you guys just took it to the next level. Way to nail it down, thank you for the wealth of info.