SA trench coat for review

[pbatalas]

The shoulder boards were replaced as i can fit my finger through the seem but i can see the original stitching on it. But im sure they are still original

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piping was redone

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under the tabs

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and last the piping that i believe has been redone

[sgstandard]

Tunic

Great photos!! Collar piping is fake and so is tab piping - guaranteed !!
I've never seen stitching like that number "5", and I'm pretty sure the tabs are fake, too. Shoulderboards are original for sure.

[luftwaffe blue]

Great photos!! Collar piping is fake and so is tab piping - guaranteed !!
I've never seen stitching like that number "5", and I'm pretty sure the tabs are fake, too. Shoulderboards are original for sure.

i agree..the boards are original but they are easy to find and attach..collar piping and tab piping fake and the tabs too..

[Erich B.]

If you have access to a UV light, you might want to see if the armband disc reacts, as well as the underlay/threads of the '5' and the white of the piping. It looks like the rank tab was originally that of a Sturmführer--you can see there were 3 pips at one time. Also, can you take an overall photo of the back of the coat and of the armband? And are there any markings on the lining or a label inside the inner pocket?
IMO still a good buy for the price, even if the piping and tabs are replaced. Technically, the armband should be the wool multi piece type rather than the cotton, but it's not critical.
Erich

[pbatalas]

Okay so i UV it, the piping light up like a x-mas tree. But the tab was fine, the white 5 did not glow at all, and i took out some of my repo SS items to compare for the glow and the white was just dark (not glowing) so i guess the tabs are real ? and the armband checked out good as well, and the cuff didnt glow either. I also did the burning test, take a small piece of cloth and burn it to see if it dosent cave in and become like plastic. I did it for the cuff and the tab they both burned right up.

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and there was no maker mark, just a small rip from the inside, but the shoulder boards still have the RZM sticker !

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and here is the belt the came with it as well, again thank you to everyone for helping me out and resolving all this and a special thank you to Erich.

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But is there anyway i can remove the piping safely and not damage the overcoat ?

[Erich B.]

The reverse of the coat is interesting--I've never seen an SA overcoat with this pattern of half belt or with scalloped rear flaps. Also, the flaps look like they may have had decorative buttons like a police coat or Imperial Rock. I don't know of any other organization that used this type and color combination overcoat, but I wonder about the pattern of these details. SA coats usually have a belt in the back with a button holes at each end, and they're buttoned to the rear of the coat through them. The rear flaps are usually straight with no scallops or buttons. The flaps were eventually eliminated.
To take the piping off, you just need to cut the threads that attach it to the edge of the collar--a stitch remover or small pair of embroidery scissors (or mustache scissors) should work.
Erich

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Coat

Check inside every inside pocket for an oilcloth RZM tag.

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The coat must be imperial used for the SA but it is definitely pre WW2 as i can not find an RZM tag anywhere only on the shoulder boards. So i suppose the verdict is that the coat, armband and tabs are good with the belt. The piping is redone/ fake. I might just keep it on because it dosent look to bad and the cuff is fake or real because it did pass the to tests ?

[sgstandard]

Coat

Your theory could be correct, but considering the use of fake piping, wrong uniform regulations, and a non-standard coat, the odds are just as good that the coat was never used by the SA. There's the possibility that the tabs, themselves, are good, but that's even iffy, as the number "5" is sewn in a way I've never seen SA tabs embroidered. One red flag usually leads to another.
PS: If that unit tab IS original, I'd say it's more likely it is early SS. The rank tab has the 3 holes, as earlier mentioned, so it could be a good tab as well, or it could be a fake tab that was monkeyed with. Too bad we can't see the backs of those tabs. Size and shape seems between SA and SS (which was shorter).
IMO, the uniform is worth the parts perhaps, but if you want a good representative SA uniform you'll be happy with, built up or original, I'd start over.