Cased Coburg

[mloppkit]

Hi Stan,

Many Congratulations, stunning badge and great case. Thanks for posting such great photos of it as well.

I really have no idea if it is contemporary but the badge fits so snugly inside it, I assume it has been made for the badge -Stan

There is something very nice about seeing an original badge in an original period case - especially when it looks as though the badge has been in there for ever like yours and this other political badge does...

[Stan]

What a stunner

Stan

[Tony T-S]

Well this thread certainly took an interesting turn, congrats Stan, it doesn't get any better.

[Tom B]

What a stunner

Stan

I agree

[Military]

Mike,

You've just upped the stakes. Maybe we should start a thread on cased political awards. Of course, I will have nothing to show (sadly!)

Mil

[der-hase-fee]

Mike,

You've just upped the stakes. Maybe we should start a thread on cased political awards. Of course, I will have nothing to show (sadly!)

Mil

Feel free to show w/o case.

[ErichS]

Interesting to note that Patzwall lists the maker of the CB as Deschler in his book Coburger Ehrenzeichen der NSDAP. This kinda makes sense due to the Deschler prototype of the badge that was auctioned off some years ago.

[Military]

Hi Erich,

Which brings me to this question - the second pattern CBs had RZM stamps. Why weren't any maker marks also stamped? Was this in line with other badges that the Deschler firm produced? They would have stamped their 52 marks easily. Maybe you might have a theory?

Mil

[Bob Hritz]

The Deschlet marks were 52 for metal insignia, not for awards.

I believe the first issue pieces had such flimsy attachment devices that the second pattern may well have been made immediately following when badge attachments were breaking. The RZM mark had to be added very early before the manufacturers understood proper marking technique.

Bob Hritz

[Military]

Bob, thanks for replying.

Deschler badges should be marked 1? Similar for DKIGs? In that case wouldn't later versions or re-issues for the CB have the manufacturer marking? Why wouldn't the manufacturer want to put his stamp for one of the most prestigious awards?

Mil

[Bob Hritz]

Bob, thanks for replying.

Deschler badges should be marked 1? Similar for DKIGs? In that case wouldn't later versions or re-issues for the CB have the manufacturer marking? Why wouldn't the manufacturer want to put his stamp for one of the most prestigious awards?

Mil

No, the Deschler number 1 is the PKZ number for decorations which came later, probably in late 1941.

I would think it might have been possible to see an RZM 52 mark, had they made and marked them, much like you see the similar markings on the Frontbann badges. That 52 should be reserved for metal insignia, but early in the RZM process, there was apparantly lots of confusion until the rules for marking items was standardized. Without any maker identification, it is merely speculation who made them.

Bob Hritz

[ErichS]

No, the Deschler number 1 is the PKZ number for decorations which came later, probably in late 1941.

I would think it might have been possible to see an RZM 52 mark, had they made and marked them, much like you see the similar markings on the Frontbann badges. That 52 should be reserved for metal insignia, but early in the RZM process, there was apparantly lots of confusion until the rules for marking items was standardized. Without any maker identification, it is merely speculation who made them.

Bob Hritz

I agree that it's speculative as to who made the award but found it interesting that Patzwall would have listed deschler as it's definitive maker.

[Military]

For those who study / collect Deschler pieces, perhaps there might be tell tale signs to confirm some designs / styles that conform to that maker? I don't collect by maker alone but I know some might do. Bob, yes that was why I suggested 52 but then you're correct again to say that the later versions had 1 for markings. However, if you say that the PKZ number might be enforced, I still dont see any CBs with any numerical markings. Wouldn't they offer these as re-issue pieces?

For those who want to know about PZK - Dietrich has a good thread here: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=307411

Mil

[Matthew]

Interesting to note that Patzwall lists the maker of the CB as Deschler in his book Coburger Ehrenzeichen der NSDAP. This kinda makes sense due to the Deschler prototype of the badge that was auctioned off some years ago.

The prototype as made by Deschler was part of the by-now famous 'Deschler hoard'. Not sure who made the regular type Coburg badge but Deschler was known to produce literally one of badges for who knows what purpose while not being de facto maker of them- Gau Ost Prussia Ehrenzeichen would be a prime example of that- while Wachtler & Lange actually made those, Deschler made those as well even though they never supplied them in any official capacity.
Either way- a wonderful badge that now resides in a spectacular collection- congrats Stan!

cheers

Matt