Police Doctor

[germanpolice]

Unusual one this one, with the man being an officer, were there regulations stating that the insignia was to be worn by all personnel on the lower left sleeve at some point? Do you think that that this officers insignia would be bullion and not the regular green? Were regulations changed to discontinue the use of doctor spec patches for officers on the lower sleeve at a later date and only to be used on the shoulder boards. On closer inspection there is no doctor insignia on the shoulder boards in this picture only a single pip. Information appreciated

[Gary Symonds]

What I find interesting is that the man appears to have the Knight's Cross of the War Merit Cross with Swords, in cloth. Notice that at the top of the cross there is no hanger. Obviously sewn on.

An award we are told that did not have a cloth counterpart.

[Tim W]

To me the War Merit cross with Swords looks artistically applied. Looks almost painted on just like other period photos that show added crosses and other badges.
tim

[W.Unland]

In the photo, at least on my monitor, it appears as if the pictured insignia may also have a thin silver piping. Although I cant post photos any longer, I have such an insignia with silver piping that I have always thought was for use by an officer/doctor.

W.H.U.

[stonemint]

Are you all sure that is a WMC? I would think either a foreign decoration or an imperial one.....

[Gary Symonds]

Are you all sure that is a WMC? I would think either a foreign decoration or an imperial one.....

Stonemint:

If your monitor can magnify the screen image, at 400% there is a round wreath and in the wreath there is something, but too indistinct to say it is a swas. The swords look right, as does the arms of the cross. It is almost certainly the Knight's War Merit Cross with swords.

As to Tim W's suggestion of the badge being artistically applied after the fact, as seen in some photos, where the guy had the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, then gets the Oakleafs later. I've seen evidence of the Oaks, being drawn in by hand. This pic of the Doc does not look doctored.

One more thing, this is a neck order, and if added after the fact, it would have been drawn around the doc's neck, not drawn on the left side of his tunic, where all of the lesser badges would be displayed. Obviously if it was the neck order in cloth, it could not be around the guy's neck, but would be on the left side of his tunic. Just my observations.

[SiPo]

Either KvK I or WWI decoration and looks painted on to me

[germanpolice]

Here you go, looks too big to be a KvK and there is no swas in the middle as far as I can see. At first I thought it was a johanniter cross, in cloth, but then the swords, on closer inspection does not seem to be cloth at all. Unfortunately there is no wire surround on the spec patch.

[kuratorium]

Maybe Bulgarian bravery cross ?

[SCHUPO]

The tunic is also interesting in that it is a five button field style tunic with French cuffs. No doubt a tailor made tunic which may help account for the somewhat odd breast award which does look like a I Class War Merit Cross w/swords to me.

[Dave C.]

I also noticed that it was a feldbluse type with dark collar with green cuffs, but are they French cuffs, I’m not seeing the line? Being an Oberst LT., I would also expect a tailored tunic. <O</O
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There was a good thread about spec./proficiency patches, Jiri was always working on clarification of this area, but where is that thread now??? It seems that 1942 was the year of regulatory changes for spec./proficiency insignia and it was noted these were cancelled later in the year except for medic (was there also one other?) which continued after 1942 and in silver. I’ll continue to look for that informative thread, perhaps someone else remembers it?

[germanpolice]

Came with the same lot. I presume the same chap however, shorter medal bar and no cross on the pocket, earlier photo?

[SCHUPO]

And he is wearing a different tunic with an eight button front in this picture. It also shows clearly the Army long service awards.

[JoeW]

Here you go, looks too big to be a KvK and there is no swas in the middle as far as I can see. At first I thought it was a johanniter cross, in cloth, but then the swords, on closer inspection does not seem to be cloth at all. Unfortunately there is no wire surround on the spec patch.

What could be the bright area that triangularly frames the device? The edges are straight.