This is an example of the latest Marseille fake documents (IMO, of course) which have been appearing in increasing numbers in the last few years - the 5th one I have seen.
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What is the deal with them ? did they pull these fakes ? never ending rip off's in this hobby !Comment
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There is soooo much money to get in this area (and I guess in other collecting areas, too), so we will never see the end of the fakers creativity.
I don´t think Ratisbon´s is aware of this Scheisse. At least I hope not...Comment
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Hello everyone,
thanks.
Indeed, we are not aware.
Why do you think this document is fake?Comment
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Not aware? Based on what thinking have you deemed this material suitable ie authentic, for sale? Are auction houses above responsibility for researching material at least to some extent before considering putting it in the auction? As for Wittmann, how did you determine this as authentic?Comment
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Useless comment, ME109....
Two more in the batch, like Wittmann...Comment
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Two more for referral and comparing...Comment
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And another two more for referral...Comment
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On the Kassel Show you can see a rubbish of Wittmann, Marseille and other on the dealer table of Sven Bieber. His table is in the 2nd hall. Wrong paper, wrong signature and wrong print. The fakers are to stupid !Comment
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Who is this Sven Bieber??? A full time dealer?Comment
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At the show in Kassel there are lot of dealers. Perhaps a other collector knows if Sven Bieber a full time or half time dealer.Comment
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In the really interesting Simon thread I was reading, Max History (who I have learnt a lot from over the years here) wrote an interesting explanation which is useful and relevant to the documents here and the Wittmann thread:
"If you look at the strokes in the signature, you will notice the hesitant nature of the lines. To some they are described as slightly "wobbly." They are not strong and directional as in a genuine signature. Hesitancy is present in the vast majority of forged signatures as a result of drawing (copying) the signature. It ocurrs as a result of a slight sub-conscious tremor in the hand which is not present in a relaxed, but flourishing stroke of the pen in genuine signatures. If you compare your own handwriting with any other example you have tried to copy, you will see the difference with hesitancy present in the attempted copy. This can obviously improve with practice, but never entirely disappears because it's not natural."
As I also mentioned in the Wittmann thread, IMO forgers also seem to have difficulty with replicating the angle of an authentic signature across a complete signature.Comment
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