Interesting Photos - Hitler, Himmler & ?

[mickmcg]

I'd obtained the older photo (top image) some time ago and I recently purchased a copy of the same image on a ? cigarette card. It wasn't until I received the second image and had a good look at it, that I noticed one of the people was missing from the original photo (? R. Hess). Unsure why the he'd been removed from the cigarette card, but if someone could explain why they would do this, and if it was common to photoshop back then, it would be appreciated. I picked up both the photos for next to nothing and was wondering if they're worth anything?

[Kengir]

In short...

Early May of '41 Hess flew and parachuted into Britain on a rough mission to sue for peace. This was obviously against the wishes of Hitler and done on his own accord. Needless to say, the ole Fuhrer was pissed and labeled Hess a traitor. It's not surprising to see him edited out of pictures standing anywhere near Hitler, and actually pretty cool that you have such an example of each!

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

similar fate for Röhm pictures in various NSDAP / SA books after the "Night Of The Long Knives", usually pages with Röhm were cut out.

See You

Vince

[mickmcg]

Appreciate the comments, I thought as much, I just wasn't sure it was Hess. I'll hang on to these ones then :-)

[oldflagswanted]

Feldherrnhalle gathering ...

I'd obtained the older photo (top image) some time ago...
for next to nothing ... worth anything?

Interesting view from the front steps of the Feldherrnhalle.
Especially as the München II DE banner is in my collection.

[i.spring]

can you show us a photo of the flag ? That would be really interesting to see.
Ian

[Br. James]

Kengir and Vince capture the situation for you, Mick. This sort of blatant recreation of history to suit the purpose was common in NSDAP circles. While someone went to great lengths to erase Hess' image from this photo, that person also created a background out of 'whole cloth!'

Also of interest is that Hess was not wearing his Blood Order at this annual Putsch event. Hitler wore his BO at such events during the early days of his chancellorship, but after a couple of years he apparently decided that he should always look the same and never wore badges or pins from the events he attended. Hess, as his deputy, also took on that ideal.

A great pair of historical pix! Thanks for sharing,

Br. James

[mickmcg]

Thanks for the feedback and comments Br. James. It was only by chance that I found the second photo. I normally label my items with a estimate value, any idea what figure I should put on these?

[Br. James]

You're very welcome, Mick, and welcome among us! As for value, I'm afraid that I can't help you with that question, but hopefully others here can offer some support.

Best regards,

Br. James

[oldflagswanted]

as requested ...

can you show us a photo of the flag ?
That would be really interesting to see.
Ian

On the WAF & in the Ulric/Bender Pubs DE book.
......... OLDFLAGSWANTED .........

716 DE presentations from 1923-1942
1923 4 SA <--- DE banner/top type 1 ---> only known example shown above. ^^^^^
1926 8 SA <--- DE banner type 2
1927 12 SA <-- DE banner type 3
1929 24 SA "
1931 24 SA "
1933 118 SA 8 SS "
1934 126 SA 75 SS "
1935 36 SS 40 SS, ", +*28 NSKK
1936 25 SA 3 SS, ", +*35 NSKK
1937 30 SA 1 SS, 1 Polizei, ", +*34 NSKK
1938 42 SS 14 SS, ", +*21 NSKK *16 NSFK
1942 1 SA (Fritz Todt, reused Munich-II cloth - OFW type 1)
Totals are 449 SA, 141 SS, *118 NSKK, 1 Polizei, *16 NSFK.
(*= Not across pole DE types)