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    SS license plate, Dienstausweis (ID Cards) & Swiss Letter of Protection

    If I'm getting the hang of Picassa web albums, photos should be here:

    https://picasaweb.google.com/1170387...K71l4myno2itAE

    Several items here may be of interest to forum viewers.

    There clearly seems to be a huge amount of concern about fake SS license plates and I thought it might be worth sharing one which is certainly not a fake (unless it was faked in 1945, probably a fairly risky business). My certainty has nothing to do with expertise (I have none) and everything to do with knowing where it came from and where it has been for the last 68 years. Obviously, given the hand made nature of these items they will vary, but this is a good example of one that has been sitting indoors, uncleaned for a long time. I have a question which I would like to have answered on the plate. however. The list of plate numbers which have been posted on the site seem to terminate shortly after 100000 (ie into 6 digits), but clearly they went on well past that. Does someone know the answer to this seeming riddle? Is the first digit perhaps not included?

    The ID cards, I find fascinating because they are such real French faces and the ones I see in my own day-to-day life in France. Both men are listed as day laborers on the front card but the younger man's occupation on the second card is listed as a baker. Unless he lived above the bakery, biking to work in pitch black at 4am to bake bread must have made for a very nervous daily commute in occuppied France, with or without an ID card from the German army.

    The third item is something I have been unable to find out more about on the internet. The Swiss consul has tried to help out a vary nervous Swiss citizen living near Stuttgart in the beginning of 1945 with a "Letter of protection." Obviousy drafted in part in English, suggesting it was American forces making him nervous and not Russians. Wonder if it worked? Has anyone seen one of these before?

    All the best.

    #2
    cant comment on the paperwork, but the plates are bad

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      #3
      Plate

      Hi there,

      The number on your plate, SS-15XXXX, indicates that (if genuine) it belonged to a vehicle of the Das Reich division. This series of numbers was assigned to the unit in early 1942, at he same time the 16XXXX series was assigned to LAH.

      Cheers
      Steve

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        #4
        Bad Plate ?

        Enlighten me, Phil! What do you see that I don't?


        Originally posted by PHILBROWN View Post
        cant comment on the paperwork, but the plates are bad

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          #5
          i dont like the way the numbers look,they are to easy to fake, and anyone can find a period number and paint it on a rusty bit of metal,its up to you if you want it,i just think they are bad. and wheres the red stamp?,also looks artifically aged

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            #6
            I agree with Phil, plates are bad, bad job at ageing them as well

            EDIT: The more I study it, it may have a chance. It looks period to me, that is not recent ageing applied, maybe it was a replacement.
            Last edited by Totenhead; 10-25-2013, 06:16 AM.

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              #7
              The link to picasaweb works just fine, but in the interest of promoting more discussion on this topic, I am going to post Jarnacman's pictures here for easier viewing.
              Attached Files

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                #8
                Front & back of the area with the SS runics...
                Attached Files

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                  #9
                  Close-up of the numbers...
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                    #10
                    Polar Opposites

                    I will admit that I am not a specialist in German military license plates. In my 30+ years as a militaria collector, I have never bought one and I have never sold one.

                    However, I do have a very sharp eye as well as a "gut instinct" that has seldom led me astray - and my opinion (regarding the originality of this SS piece) is the polar opposite of Phil's! Artificially aged?

                    The red stamp? It's gone! Look at the wear to this item! Not even the best Hewlett-Packard ink would have withstood this amount of wear and tear.

                    I would be interested to view contemporary pictures of surviving examples to make a letter and number style comparison. Can anyone help?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by GREG E. View Post
                      I will admit that I am not a specialist in German military license plates. In my 30+ years as a militaria collector, I have never bought one and I have never sold one.

                      However, I do have a very sharp eye as well as a "gut instinct" that has seldom led me astray - and my opinion (regarding the originality of this SS piece) is the polar opposite of Phil's! Artificially aged?

                      The red stamp? It's gone! Look at the wear to this item! Not even the best Hewlett-Packard ink would have withstood this amount of wear and tear.

                      I would be interested to view contemporary pictures of surviving examples to make a letter and number style comparison. Can anyone help?
                      Greg, I tend to agree with you, I studies these pictures for a quite a while today, that is not artificial wear. I think it may have been a plate, a replacement for a lost original plate, they have re-used a plate from somewhere else.

                      Here is an old motorcycle plate of mine, doesn't really add to the argument regarding this one however
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Totenhead View Post
                        I agree with Phil, plates are bad, bad job at ageing them as well

                        EDIT: The more I study it, it may have a chance. It looks period to me, that is not recent ageing applied, maybe it was a replacement.
                        I´m not an expert but if these were a bad job...I think they have done a pretty good job. Could it have been a require vehicle.

                        / Daniel

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                          #13
                          Looking at these pictures, I cannot understand how the heavy scoring and scratching of the white background seems to pass under the black letters and numbers. I would have thought that the scratches would also have removed the black paint. I guess that, had the plate been re-used, then the scoring is where the old numbers were removed, then the new registration was applied over the top, but it still looks strange.
                          Kerry..

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