Experts for Hitler signature wanted!

[crfraser]

Also once you have bought it you are unlikely to be able to sell it on later when serious experts on this site are warning its fake. Even if it is real, there is enough uncertainty that you will lose out in the long run.

Colin

[Obersalzberg]

Also once you have bought it you are unlikely to be able to sell it on later when serious experts on this site are warning its fake. Even if it is real, there is enough uncertainty that you will lose out in the long run.

Colin

It may come aa a shock to you, but this forum is not the beginning and end of the Worlds collecting fraternity.

[Obersalzberg]

Once again, please post some of your signatures.
Max.

I wouldnt even consider it. It would be like parking a Rolls Royce Phantom and leaving it in the Bronx.

Consider this, when I or anyone who has to sign his signature, although its usually similar every time, when your annoyed, happy, in a hurry etc..it changes. At least mine foes. Therefore Adolf Hitlers signature will also have degrees of difference ...angle, speed, shape, conformity.

[Jeremy]

And...

Obersalzberg, why bother participating in the forum if you think it does not carry weight in the collecting fraternity or it is not worthy of your presenting your precious material for consideration to help others with determining what is or is not fake?

And, I think the tired and simplistic argument about signature variations I see trotted out regularly just means dealers or others can justify the nature of anything they sell...

[max history]

Once again, please post some of your signatures. I would love to see some authentic photo postcards with Hitler signatures. You found two in Berchtesgaden! Unnoticed by the sellers!
To suggest that Hitler accepted postcards and pencils from children in order to autograph them is just plain wrong. Hitler was very particular about what he signed, especially photos. His staff carried Hoffmann photographs of him to sign and hand out autographs. I remember reading somewhere that photographs were even sometimes handed out in advance on Hitler's immediate route to enable the press photographers a photo opportunity of Hitler signing autographs. Hitler carried his own fountain pen and in all photos I've seen of him signing autographs, he is using a fountain pen on a photograph. Burnout is correct in stating that pencils were commonly used in that era, but Hitler stopped signing his autograph in pencil long before the sitting for this particular portrait. He resumed the use of pencils later, but only coloured crayons, blue, red and green. The bottom line is that Hitler was very choosey about images of himself he signed and he did not sign postcard photos. Even the late great autograph expert Charles Hamilton makes this point. Pencils are more often used by forgers of Hitler's autograph who are ignorant of his particular preferences and the most frequently found forgeries of his autograph are on photos and postcards.
Burnout's example is very skillfully executed, but it does display areas where there are flaws. As previously mentioned, the angle of the lettering in the composition of the signature is also incorrect for a genuine example. Although a little more difficult to tell than from a high quality scan, the digital photos reveal several other faults with the size, the spacing, the cross bars, etc. I must say though, the formation of the "H" is almost perfect, but only almost. There is a major fault with it. It's a very good attempt at a Hitler signature. Good enough to fool the average collector and many dealers. It's certainly one I'd like to have a closer look at.
Max.

Obersalzberg,
My edited post obviously came after your reply, so I've repeated it here and would like to see your response. You have said in the past that you are an expert, so let's see some evidence please.
Jeremy is quite right about the worn out argument of signature variations through illness, mood, weather, etc. It is a naïve amateur argument.
Max.

[juoneen]

In a nutshell to save time :

The chance of seeing actual hitler autographs here, will be highly doubtful. Hitler signed very few things, except some early period items for kids like baseball players did balls,and he had a man who worked for him just for this reason , and did the bulk of his signatures for him. Presidents in history have also had people they comissioned to be their official signature signers. The machines that autowrite, also used heavily for all documents and thank you cards , except an occasional higher order , or for some significant case, i would ventur to say an authentic hitlers signature, actually done by him,is more squatty angled down to the right , and just because there are marks on the paper, who's to say , except by hiring a qualified handwriting expert,that charges for their services , it wasnt done by Vittorio vin Ihne from the chancellory office. I would caution buying any signature claimd to be done by hitlers actual hand, as 99% of the time , unless properly expertly authenticated (which aint gonna happen here , unless a conspiracy shilled endeavor) your chances of getting one of his , is in serious question, and should always be viewed just that way and have a 100% lifetime guarantee in writing , and the seller be someone in the business transparent and easily located, not like the majority of the fly by nights who dissappear from here after a sale for significant cash sales. CAVEAT EMPTOR fellows, caveat emptor.

[PHILBROWN]

im no expert, but i like it alot

[Obersalzberg]

Obersalzberg,
My edited post obviously came after your reply, so I've repeated it here and would like to see your response. You have said in the past that you are an expert, so let's see some evidence please.
Jeremy is quite right about the worn out argument of signature variations through illness, mood, weather, etc. It is a naïve amateur argument.
Max.

Show me where I claimed that.

[Darrell]

I wrote my signature down 10 times today. They were all different. I guess I'm my own faker

[Obersalzberg]

The chance of seeing actual hitler autographs here, will be highly doubtful. Hitler signed very few things, except some early period items for kids like baseball players did balls,and he had a man who worked for him just for this reason , and did the bulk of his signatures for him. Presidents in history have also had people they comissioned to be their official signature signers. The machines that autowrite, also used heavily for all documents and thank you cards , except an occasional higher order , or for some significant case, i would ventur to say an authentic hitlers signature, actually done by him,is more squatty angled down to the right , and just because there are marks on the paper, who's to say , except by hiring a qualified handwriting expert,that charges for their services , it wasnt done by Vittorio vin Ihne from the chancellory office. I would caution buying any signature claimd to be done by hitlers actual hand, as 99% of the time , unless properly expertly authenticated (which aint gonna happen here , unless a conspiracy shilled endeavor) your chances of getting one of his , is in serious question, and should always be viewed just that way and have a 100% lifetime guarantee in writing , and the seller be someone in the business transparent and easily located, not like the majority of the fly by nights who dissappear from here after a sale for significant cash sales. CAVEAT EMPTOR fellows, cav





eat emptor.

That is not true....He signed thousands upon thousands for his admirers.

[max history]

Show me where I claimed that.

Yes, you are absolutely right. I'm getting you mixed up with someone else who uses a similar username. My apologies.
However, it would be beneficial to see some of the postcards you say are signed in pencil by Hitler from your collection. His signature is so widely exposed I don't think you'd be risking any fakers taking advantage.
Max.

[Obersalzberg]

Yes, you are absolutely right. I'm getting you mixed up with someone else who uses a similar username. My apologies.
However, it would be beneficial to see some of the postcards you say are signed in pencil by Hitler from your collection. His signature is so widely exposed I don't think you'd be risking any fakers taking advantage.
Max.

Max, I am sure from your posts that you are very reliable, My signatures are what they are, and I am not interested in having them looked at by others.
I can say hand on heart, I have met former members of his personal staff, and probably, like you have had many many years of exposure to people and places of this era, indeed of Real History, first hand.

[max history]

Max, I am sure from your posts that you are very reliable, My signatures are what they are, and I am not interested in having them looked at by others.
I can say hand on heart, I have met former members of his personal staff, and probably, like you have had many many years of exposure to people and places of this era, indeed of Real History, first hand.

Okay. That said, do you have any response to my post disagreeing with your observations. I'm always interested in opposing views, but the points I raised are well documented.
Max.

[burnout]

hello all

i have started this threat, not obersalzberg!
i do not want to start such a heated debate!
Everyone should have his own opinion,
also i still have not buy the card!

kind regards

[Jeremy]

lame

Originally Posted By Obersalzberg
who rattled your cage?

Erh actually, you did with your lame comments about signature variations and this dross:

Very often he used pencil, as children offered up their pictures clutching nit an expensive pen, but their pencil.

oh, so this authenticates postcards supposedly signed in pencil by Hitler?? pfff

hardly convincing for why you like the sig... as burnout says, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I would hope that you might add something informative to the discussion if you have useful knowledge about Hitler signed material in relation to this particular postcard...