Peiper signed photo's?

[max history]

I won't post it here - it doesn't belong to me and I reluctant to publish genuine stuff that gives forgers ideas. I believe you have my email

Okay, understood. I'll drop you a line.
Max.

[markus]

Peiper

I remember André had a postwar handwritten letter of Peiper some 2/3 years ago and if memory does not fail me it went for +/- EUR 2,000.

As an LAH collector I have come by Peiper only on signed award documents, the recommendation docs André had stolen via a middle man from the BDC, a signed book present for Wisch (together with Hugo Kraas) and my own wartime condolation (?) letter to a young woman.

USD 600-900 is totally unrealistic for an original Peiper signature imho. Consider the few pieces available, the huge demand and the buying power of some serious collectors.

[Panzer Rob]

Copies IMO.

The stamp used in #47 (2./Schw.SS Panzer-Abt.101) is also a fake IMO.
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Cheers Steve

I have to agree... I wouldn't want either of those in my collection.

[SJP]

Richard, The signature is not what I would want to see....too much of
difference that can't be explained away IMO (when compared to the Feldpost letter alluded to here but hopefully not shown for obvious reasons.)

Even if one buy's into the signatures in the Grp. the stamp is a fake.
The Peiper book by Agte on pg 645 shows what the stamp should look like.(IMO)
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Cheers Steve

[max history]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and, having the benefit of being able to properly examine the group in its entirety, I have to disagree.
Regards,
Max.

[Akira Takiguchi]

Just out of interest, other than the "famous" BDC files, who has seen which Wittmann's signatures that one is absolutely sure about its authenticity?

I have only seen one true example, a Feldpost that was directly received from his wife (no infamous "midman"s). In addition to that, I have been given 2 scans from members of WA forum, but I do not know their authenticity. With only one example (and a few BDC examples) I don't think I am not entitled to authenticate anything... Just I can tell what I see with my untrained eyes.

[frankandfrank]

A original clipping with envelope from the famous Heese Collection !

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...tmann+envelope

[frankandfrank]

Now coming a fake letter : sold by german auctions house!

I hope you can see a mistakes which makes the faker!

[Dark Angel]

peiper

Thank you frankandfrank, the link guides to one of the rare examples of an authentic signature of Wittmann. Since this was sold in a auction house, the questionable autographs start to show up. IMO- This original was used to produce many copies.
It was shown on the website of the auction house Zeige and everybody was able to see and download it.

[frankandfrank]

In the Heese collection there was also a original Peiper signature! Great fantastic one!

[killerkatanas]

I have this original photo (not signed) of Peiper talking to Baum or Wisch (can't remember). Its a very small photo, only 2" x 3".


Here is an original Whittmann one. Again, only about 2" x 3". Does anyone know who the other two gentleman are?


Brian

[VtwinVince]

Ralf, the absence of 'Heil Hitler' on your letter is highly suspect.

[markus]

I have this original photo (not signed) of Peiper talking to Baum or Wisch (can't remember). Its a very small photo, only 2" x 3".


Here is an original Whittmann one. Again, only about 2" x 3". Does anyone know who the other two gentleman are?


Brian

The above picture shows Wisch and Peiper in Russia.

I am afraid that picture might be a fake. The original is a large size professional KB picture (probably KB "Büschel"). Not at all a small size private snapshot.

The Wittmann picture also looks suspect imo.

I paid about EUR 250 for my last original private shot of Jochem Peiper and about EUR 200 for Fritz Witt, only as a guidance of what if being paid for genuine pictures of LAH personalites these days.

[markus]

Huesken

In case anyone is interested, here an article about André Huesken's theft case about stealing documents from the Berlin Documents Center in the 80ies.

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-01-..._1_west-berlin


If anyone wonders where all the award recommendations come from...

[Panzer Rob]

I paid about EUR 250 for my last original private shot of Jochem Peiper and about EUR 200 for Fritz Witt, only as a guidance of what if being paid for genuine pictures of LAH personalites these days.

Well, in all fairness Markus you might have paid those prices, but that doesn't necessarily mean everyone else is willing and able to, nor should that establish or "set a price" on what private Peiper or Witt photos should bring. Not that I need to tell you this, but asking prices shouldn't be the sole point in determining the authenticity of a photo - I've seen plenty of 100% original, period private photos of various desirable personalities sell for much less.

Rob