Does Anybody Think This Is Not Giesler's Signature?

[rommel-lebt]

Enough Bs Is Enough Bs

[max history]

Although not a very good image on my computer and with my usual proviso that a signature can only truly be authenticated by physical examination, this Giesler appears genuine. The same goes for the October 1944 Gille signed piece. Are they yours, as I have seen them both before?
However, the photo you have on e-stand is not one I would consider to exhibit genuine Giesler and Gille signatures. Your "hotel register" Speer signature is also an example I would pass on. Remember, these are only my opinions and you have requested such. No doubt you will disagree as you believe them to be genuine.
Max.

[Eric JB]

This one has nothing to do with the one you have for sale.
One can see that it are two different signatures.
The example that you are selling is a bad one.

yours friendly

Eric-Jan

[max history]

Enough Bs Is Enough Bs

I really cannot understand someone who asks for opinions and when he gets them he throws his teddy out of the ring and removes the images. Such behaviour does nothing but rings alarm bells.
Max.

[bobcam1]

Enough Bs Is Enough Bs

FINALLY!....we all agree on something!

Bob.

[rommel-lebt]

FINALLY!....we all agree on something!

Bob.

YOU ARE JUST LIKE MY WIFE. SHE CAN'T LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE EITHER! SHE HAS TO HAVE THE LAST WORD, TOO!

[rommel-lebt]

what do you want? Blood?

[QUOTE=max history;2885592]I really cannot understand someone who asks for opinions and when he gets them he throws his teddy out of the ring and removes the images. Such behaviour does nothing but rings alarm bells.
Max.[/QUOTE I withdrew the ad to end the controversy, but that is not enough for you guys! what do you want blood? What can I do to get you guys off my back?

[Don D.]

YOU ARE JUST LIKE MY WIFE. SHE CAN'T LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE EITHER! SHE HAS TO HAVE THE LAST WORD, TOO!

And you are close to getting the boot. This is a learning forum. By deleting your pics others cannot learn anything from this thread. I suggest you check yourself if you want to continue on here. Manners go a long way towards the type of response you will get.

[max history]

I really cannot understand someone who asks for opinions and when he gets them he throws his teddy out of the ring and removes the images. Such behaviour does nothing but rings alarm bells.
Max.

I withdrew the ad to end the controversy, but that is not enough for you guys! what do you want blood? What can I do to get you guys off my back?

A discussion forum is what it says, a discussion forum. From my point of view, you have gone about it all the wrong way and ruffled a few feathers in the process. Regardless of where you posted your items for sale, which is not an integral part of the debate, you posed questions and trawled for opinions on certain signatures. When the replies came in, because you didn't like the opinions provided, you became rude and immature.
A very respected and experienced member of this forum, Robin Lumsden, made a comment regarding the Himmler signatures for sale on your website, which you promoted in your post. Next you advertised a Speer signature for sale, which also drew adverse comments. Then you advertised a photo which you stated was signed by Gille and Giesler. This also attracted adverse opinions. Finally, you posted two examples of what appear to be genuine autographs of both Gille and Giesler on totally separate items in order to compare with your examples. When this did not alter the opinions previously given, you removed all your images with your "Enough BS is enough BS" comments. You were rude to some people and now you wonder why they are having a go at you.
Now one must pose the question "Why on earth did you ask for opinions in the first place?" This forum, along with many other similar forums, is a place where the inexperienced collector and historian can learn in order to enjoy their hobby and hopefully gain experience in order to protect themselves. Being a dealer, I would have thought you might have wanted to participate in this learning process by putting forward your arguments as to why you believe your signatures to be genuine. Personally, I hope you change your mind and join the debate.
Regards,
Max.

[bobcam1]

YOU ARE JUST LIKE MY WIFE. SHE CAN'T LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE EITHER! SHE HAS TO HAVE THE LAST WORD, TOO!

I'm pretty sure that I'm nothing like your wife. I'm positive that I don't have the guts and patience that SHE must have.....

Oh, by the way, can you pick up a quart of milk and a loaf of bread on the way home?.....

[rommel-lebt]

A discussion forum is what it says, a discussion forum. From my point of view, you have gone about it all the wrong way and ruffled a few feathers in the process. Regardless of where you posted your items for sale, which is not an integral part of the debate, you posed questions and trawled for opinions on certain signatures. When the replies came in, because you didn't like the opinions provided, you became rude and immature.
A very respected and experienced member of this forum, Robin Lumsden, made a comment regarding the Himmler signatures for sale on your website, which you promoted in your post. Next you advertised a Speer signature for sale, which also drew adverse comments. Then you advertised a photo which you stated was signed by Gille and Giesler. This also attracted adverse opinions. Finally, you posted two examples of what appear to be genuine autographs of both Gille and Giesler on totally separate items in order to compare with your examples. When this did not alter the opinions previously given, you removed all your images with your "Enough BS is enough BS" comments. You were rude to some people and now you wonder why they are having a go at you.
Now one must pose the question "Why on earth did you ask for opinions in the first place?" This forum, along with many other similar forums, is a place where the inexperienced collector and historian can learn in order to enjoy their hobby and hopefully gain experience in order to protect themselves. Being a dealer, I would have thought you might have wanted to participate in this learning process by putting forward your arguments as to why you believe your signatures to be genuine. Personally, I hope you change your mind and join the debate.
Regards,
Max.

AGAIN (and again I guess - sigh) I withdrew the fotos to end the controversy. Do you want me to re-post them? I originally posted them to sell them, not to draw undue and unwarranted (my opinion) criticism. I studied handwriting analysis, and I think the signatures are GENUINE. Just because they are slightly different from day-to-day means nothing! If you look at the loops of the signature you willl see the similarity. Giesler signed the example I posted with a broad-tip pen. THAT is why it appears different. I think Gille's signature on BOTH fotos is so close it does not warrant discussion. But let's end this BS. I will NEVER put them on this forum again! I will not dignify Bob's remarks with any more comments. He seems determined to get the last word- so let him!

[max history]

Oh, by the way, can you pick up a quart of milk and a loaf of bread on the way home?.....

[mdj]

the signature of Giesler on the pic you have posted, is very different (and a bad attempt to reproduce it) from wartime ones....

There should be no discussion IMO. Just my thoughts.

Martin

[VtwinVince]

I would like to see the item in question, are we talking about Geisler here, as I've never heard of a Giesler? And if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[max history]

I would like to see the item in question, are we talking about Geisler here, as I've never heard of a Giesler? And if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Never heard of a Giesler?
What about Gauleiter Paul Giesler and his brother, Hermann Giesler, one of Hitler's favourite architects? It's the Gauleiter we are referring to here.
Max.