Reichswehr meets SA and SS - interesting pics

[ustufvorwaerts]

Hi everybody,

I´ve found this series of 3 pics in an album of a Reichswehr-Member, which I bought recently.
To me it seems to be kind of a Reichswehr Field Training with the visit of high-ranked SS and SA members.
Does anyone recognize anybody on these pics ???

Any help is highly appreciated.

Thanks, ustufvorwaerts
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[ustufvorwaerts]

2nd pic - the visitors arrive ...

[ustufvorwaerts]

3rd pic - discussion ...

[ustufvorwaerts]

detail 1 of 3rd pic

anybody knows this SS-Man and the SA-Man on his right side ???

[ustufvorwaerts]

what about this SS-Man (looks like a 47 on his collar) and the Reichswehr-General with the iron cross ???

[Donald Abenheim]

Sta. 47

According to my rank list, Standarte 47 was located in Jena. Perhaps this offers some orientation as to the personalities. I imagine the images are from 1933 or 1934, perhaps more the latter year. This was also a time of not inconsiderable civil-military tensions between Rw and SA/SS. Danke fuer die schoenen Bilder und viel Sammlerglueck.

[Robin Lumsden]

The fat Sturmbannfuehrer is indeed from the Jena Standarte, which came under the Weimar Abschnitte. That could give a clue to the SS-Staf. The SA-Ogruf. looks a bit like Ulrich from Kassel (not to be confused with Ulrich von Hassell) but SA isn't my strongpoint.

[Michael Miller]

The SA-Obergruppenführer is indeed Curt von Ulrich. Unfortunately, I can't ID the SS-Standartenführer next to him.

The SS-Stubaf. is this fellow (info. from my/Andreas Schulz's book The SS-Brigadeführer, 1933 - 1945)(e-mail me at axisbio@yahoo.com if interested in purchasing a copy):


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Ortlepp, Walter<o></o>

SS-Brigadeführer / <o></o>

Staatssekretär / Staatsrat / <o></o>

DRK-Generalhauptführer / M.d.R.
<o></o>

<o></o>

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* 09.07.1900 in Gotha / Thüringen.<o></o>

+ 23.10.1971 in Aschaffenburg.
<o></o>


NSDAP-Nr.: 66 836 (First joined 26.09.1923 with NSDAP-Nr. 45 154; left, then reenrolled on 01.09.1927 with Nr. 66 836)

SS-Nr.: 11 319 (Joined 20.08.1931)



Promotions:
00.07.1926 Gerichtsassessor<o></o>

01.07.1930 Regierungsrat<o></o>

01.08.1931 Amtsgerichtsrat<o></o>

20.08.1931 SS-Anwärter<o></o>

04.09.1931 SS-Sturmführer<o></o>

01.10.1932 SS-Sturmhauptführer<o></o>

01.04.1933 Polizeipräsident<o></o>

20.04.1933 SS-Sturmbannführer<o></o>

20.10.1933 Staatsrat<o></o>

09.11.1933 SS-Obersturmbannführer<o></o>

21.12.1933 SS-Standartenführer (m.W.v. 15.12.1933)<o></o>

20.10.1935 SS-Oberführer (m.W.v. 09.11.1935)<o></o>

20.04.1936 Staatssekretär<o></o>

20.04.1937 SS-Brigadeführer <o></o>

00.00.194_ DRK-Generalhauptführer


Decorations & Awards:
[09.11.1944] Kriegsverdienstkreuz I. Klasse ohne Schwerter<o></o>

[09.11.1944] Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse ohne Schwerter<o></o>

00.00.193_ Ehrenkreuz für Kriegsteilnehmer<o></o>

00.00.1934 Goldenes Ehrenzeichen der NSDAP<o></o>

30.01.1940 Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP in Silber<o></o>

30.01.1940 Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP in Bronze <o></o>

00.00.1933 Gauehrenzeichen “Silberner Gauadler“ des Gaues Thüringen der NSDAP <o></o>

00.00.19__ Ehrenzeichen des Deutschen Roten Kreuzes I. Klasse<o></o>

00.00.19__ Feuerwehr-Ehrenzeichen 1. Stufe<o></o>

00.00.19__ Luftschutz-Ehrenzeichen 2. Stufe<o></o>

00.08.1936 SA-Sportabzeichen in Bronze (Nr. 453 101)<o></o>

[01.12.1937] Ehrendegen des Reichsführers-SS <o></o>

[01.12.1937] Totenkopfring der SS<o></o>

00.00.19__ SS-Zivilabzeichen (Nr. 9 229)<o></o>

16.12.1935 Julleuchter der SS<o></o>

00.00.193_ Ehrenwinkel für alte Kämpfer<o></o>




Best wishes,
~ Mike Miller
Axis Biographical Research
www.geocities.com/~orion47

[Michael Miller]

The Standartenfuhrer could be Karl Pflomm, who commanded 47.SS-Standarte from 12.06.1933 to 09.11.1933. See http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...ghlight=pflomm for a photo of him.

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SS-Brigadeführer m.d.U.d. Generalmajor der Polizei / <O></O>

Polizeipräsident / Staatsrat / M.d.R.<O></O>

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* 31.07.1886 in Reutlingen.<O></O>

+ 15.02.1945 in Dresden / Sachsen (Suicide).<O></O>

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304 896 <O></O>
(First joined, 20.12.1922; reenrolled 17.08.1930 m.W.v. 01.09.1930)<O></O>

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2 913 <O></O>
(17.08.1930)<O></O>



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00.00.1917 Unteroffizier d. R.<O></O>
17.08.1930 SS-Mann<O></O>

20.08.1930 SS-Truppführer (m.W.v. 17.08.1930)<O></O>

21.11.1930 SS-Sturmführer (m.W.v. 18.11.1930)<O></O>

21.01.1931 SS-Sturmbannführer<O></O>

21.05.1931 SS-Standartenführer (m.W.v. 15.05.1931)<O></O>

23.11.1933 SS-Oberführer (m.W.v. 09.11.1933)<O></O>

29.12.1934 Staatsrat<O></O>

22.04.1936 SS-Brigadeführer (m.W.v. 20.04.1936)<O></O>

14.05.1936 Polizeipräsident<O></O>

17.10.1939 Charakter als Leutnant der Landwehr a. D. (m.W.v. 27.08.1939)<O></O>

09.11.1942 m.d.U.d. Generalmajor der Polizei<O></O>

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00.00.191_ 1914 Eisernes Kreuz I. Klasse<O></O>
00.00.191_ 1914 Eisernes Kreuz II. Klasse<O></O>

01.05.1942 Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse ohne Schwerter<O></O>

00.00.191_ Goldene Württembergische Tapferkeitsmedaille<O></O>

00.00.191_ Silberne Württembergische Tapferkeitsmedaille<O></O>

00.00.1918 Verwundetenabzeichen, 1918 in Schwarz<O></O>

00.11.1939 Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938<O></O>

00.00.193_ Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer<O></O>

00.00.194_ Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP in Silber<O></O>

00.00.194_ Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP in Bronze<O></O>

04.08.1940 Luftschutz-Ehrenzeichen 2. Stufe <O></O>

[01.12.1937] SA-Sportabzeichen in Bronze<O></O>

[01.12.1937] Ehrendegen des Reichsführers-SS<O></O>

[01.12.1937] Totenkopfring der SS<O></O>

16.12.1935 Julleuchter der SS<O></O>

00.00.193_ Ehrenwinkel für alte Kämpfer<O></O>

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[Robin Lumsden]

Mike.

You're a hero!

I have a Red Cross promotion document signed by Ortlepp in his Red Cross capacity, and also as SS-Brig.

I had never seen a picture of him.

Thanks to you and Ustufvorwaerts, I can now put a face to the signature on the document.

Thanks to you both.

[Donald Abenheim]

Wie schoen!

Thanks to all for a pleasing seminar. I would love to know what these men thought of each other in the moment of these images, and in June 1934. I wonder what happened with the Roehm Putsch in Thuerigen?

[ustufvorwaerts]

Hi everybody,

many thanks Gentlemen - I´m very impressed about what you´ve found out on these "simple" pics !!!
Amazing to me is the fact that Ortlepp died 1971 in Aschaffenburg, Germany - that´s exactly where I live. But I purchased the album on ebay.
If the Standartenführer is indeed Pflomm - what would be the letters or numbers on his cuff title as someone obviously painted it black on the pic ???
Would it also be a simple "47" ???
And what about the Reichswehr-General - any ideas ???

Thanks in advance,

ustufvorwaerts
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[ustufvorwaerts]

Hi everybody,

believe it or not - I just had a phone call with Ortlepps grand-daughter.
I might have the chance to see her soon and see some more photos and docs of her grandpa

Cheers,

ustufvorwaerts
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