Two cased IMME Fliegerschützen and one case for bomber clasp

[Valentino]

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[Valentino]

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[Valentino]

and the last one

[Sebastien T]

Hallo Val,

Both super nice original IMME set textbook all the way. The gold clasp case is a fake one.

Seb

[Valentino]

Hallo Val,

Both super nice original IMME set textbook all the way. The gold clasp case is a fake one.

Seb

Hi Seb

Yes that is what I thought as I seen the case. The texture and colour is so different to the originals I know.

What about the cases for the Fliegerschützen? I guess they are right to the badges?

[Sebastien T]

What about the cases for the Fliegerschützen? I guess they are right to the badges?

Yep both of them are matching and original

Seb

[Bagel]

question

Did the AG badge really have the lightning bolts removed at some point or did it never have the Blitzbündel? I'm confused about how the same case can be appropriate for two different badges.

[Valentino]

Did the AG badge really have the lightning bolts removed at some point or did it never have the Blitzbündel? I'm confused about how the same case can be appropriate for two different badges.

Hi, Blitzbündel are " amtlich entfernt " , removed. Sorry but what do you mean with same cases for two different badges?

[Bagel]

Well if they both originally had the bolts then they're the same badge, so I guess being in the same case is appropriate. I'm still not entirely clear on when someone (official?) would take the bolts off or why.

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Val,

I can only agree with the others, the IMME ROAG and COAG are both fine originals, but the clasp case is a fake one as Seb says.

Tom

[Valentino]

Well if they both originally had the bolts then they're the same badge, so I guess being in the same case is appropriate. I'm still not entirely clear on when someone (official?) would take the bolts off or why.

Sorry , but I dont understand what you are trying to say? The tombac pieces is an earlier Piece than the zinc Piece.


Removing the Bilitzbündel was quit common....

You dont know why they are removed?

[Tim O.]

Well if they both originally had the bolts then they're the same badge, so I guess being in the same case is appropriate. I'm still not entirely clear on when someone (official?) would take the bolts off or why.

Hi Bagel.

Originally there was only one badge in existence for air gunners and it had lightning bolts. Later a distinction was made between Radio Operator Air Gunners (who still received the badge with lightning bolts) and Flight Engineers and other non-radio operators, who received the badge without bolts. While a new badge was being prepared it seems a short-term fix was to issue badges with bolts removed. Later still the qualified status of Flight Engineers was recognised and yet another badge was created for 'unqualified air gunners', who had no other trade but gunner. This badge carried an eagle without bolts and was on a black wreath, leaving the eagle without bolts on a silver wreath for Flight Engineers. A confusing history!

[Bagel]

Excellent explanation Tim, I appreciate it. I knew some of that history but not all of it. Thank you for taking the time to write.