luft fighter clasp question

[Mike Kenny]

Hi Frank (et al),

Great heads'up on the 70s S&L knock-offs!! Much appreciated. The pin looks wrong as you say, but from the image the finish on the obverse looks quite convincing. It's really good to be able to nail a bad badge/clasp as definitely being bad!

Re the circle mark, I'm wondering if it was scored/punched into the die as a possible guide for a second rivet, as it would be in about the right place.

Regards
Mike K

[RPN]

Hi Trent ...

Further to our previous discussion, that first gold clasp you picture is not the same die as the others ... look at the shape of the cutouts ... and it doesn't have the extra metal adjacent to the 'stem' of the oakleaf on the right wing (obverse view) ... compare this to the others - I've marked the spots to look at on one of the silver clasp pics. Hope that makes sense

Regards
Paul

[nellyp51]

Paul

Thanks for that I will take it on board.

Frank has informed me that the silver clasps are OK and are war period awards. So now all I have to do is try and get the price down a little with the dealer.

Thanks for the advice mate.

[Frank Heukemes]

Nelly,

All silver clasps might be ok, but some of the pictures have very bad resolution. The one I can see best is the #1, as I said. I am sure the gold class is fine as well, but these pictures are really bad.

[chris clark]

im glad the infomation as ever is greatfully recieved on this thread, can i ask that on the ones i show why one of the clasp and obserber are painted an olive drab colour ?? as i would of thought they would come in bronze,silver,gold ???

[Albert]

Hi Chris,

The "Bronze" clasps can be encountered in three major tones: bronze in all variations; olive; and chocolate brown.

Best regards,
Albert

[Frank Heukemes]

And that is true for Brazilian girls as well!

[chris clark]

thanks frank. never met a genuine brazilian as in ethnic back ground!! ok if now back to the clasps i shown one looks like made out of a bronze type base metal not the zinc/ alloy i think the other three are made off any ideas ??

[Frank Heukemes]

Hi Chris,

As far as you pictures allow to see, all the clasps you have are made of zinc.

[chris clark]

thanks frank. i will take some closer pics of the one in question in day light tomorrow, which hopefully show the base metal as not zinc.

[chris clark]

now got the pics of the one that to me is not zinc.

[anguspm]

A little lost here guys.

Frank mentioned looking at the arrow details which as I read it (possibly wrongly) should be of the = horizontal type on genuine examples yet all the examples posted by NellyP51 have the arrow lines going vertical?

Thanks in advance all.

[RPN]

Hi Angus ...

Frank's comments were in relation to fighter clasps (with the arrow as the central device - presumably the "=" simulates the binding on an arrow) ... Nellie's pics are of bomber clasps (winged bomb).

Hope that clarifies the issue ...

Regards
Paul

[anguspm]

Arghhhh, i got a little lost there....