GWL PO mint

[Lubo]

Hi Guys, this is what I found in the sales section this morning, maybe this is not the place for a request like that, but I'll play the moderator's role for hercules!
Everybody has the right to discuss anything posted on the forum even more so if it is posted in the sales section for lots of $!
To answer the question and concerns raised by hercules:

-There is no golden paint on the pin!
-The gilt to the badge is close to, but in the same time far away from that of a FLL PO (the devil is in the minute details)!
-The top of the wings is fully burnished on a FLL PO (and maybe on an Assmann PO and that of a J1 PO- I don't own any of these so I'm not 100% sure) , but never (that I've seen) on a GWL PO, the GWL PO has only the highlights burnished - as it should be!
I know it is hard to believe when you see a jewel like this, but it actually exists! I know that you've had a hard time recently with refinished, bathed (with hot water and soap) and re-younameit pilots and POs, but this one is real and as I said in the sales thread - by far the best GWL PO, that has ever been offered here for sale!
Here is a link to my sales thread
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=609586
Hope this answers your concerns:



http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=609712

GWL p/o by LUBO

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Moderators please put this badge up for discussion !



Gentlemen,

please do not mind me asking :

The p/o shown by Lobo raises some questions.

I think the yellowish color of the wreath seems to be different

(that yellowish color I've only encountered on FLL badges)

The needle seems to have some golden paint remains which I haven't seen

on GWL badges before

The upper / top part of the wings used to be polished on the ones I've seen

Please no offence I am just a bit confused.

Sincerely yours

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Last edited by herkules; Today at 07:41 AM.

[Larry Lipps]

I'll offer mine for a comparison and ask what is always the main question, at least for me. Does it have the "fingerprint" pattern on the reverse? While I realize that the general wisdom is that there are original badges without the pattern, I've never seen a fake with it.

[Nordmark]

I think if it is original is not the question, rather the finish. I also see these yellow spots on the needle.


Regards,


Daniel

[Thomas Durante]

Lubo, can you show us some closeups of each rivet? Especially the left one, looks like there is a gap at the top, and could be a sign that its been messed with.

I don't see any yellow on the pin, however I see see some on the reverse edges of eagle, at the talons/swastika area. Anyone else see that?

Also, has anyone ever seen a GWL PO with the gold finish on the catch like this?

Tom

[Nordmark]

Hello Tom,


imo this looks indeed funny, there are definitely yellow spots visible on the pin:

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Daniel,

Yes, I saw those but thought they were reflections. Thanks for pointing this out so Lubo can check exactly these spots and see if they are really there in person.

Tom

[Silver]

I'll offer mine for a comparison and ask what is always the main question, at least for me. Does it have the "fingerprint" pattern on the reverse? While I realize that the general wisdom is that there are original badges without the pattern, I've never seen a fake with it.

Hallo Larry,

these is the finish what I like to see on a GWL P/O!!

Sorry to say that:
but the finish on Lupos looks not like these high quality gold "fire gilding" what I wish to see!?

I also have never seen bevore are painted catch on a GWL P/O!?

I am sure that the badge from Lupo have the fingerprints (because the Badge is a real one the only question is: is it a pilot or a P/O GWL?).

And the upper wings are always polished (smooth as a mirror)!

here some photos for compare fromt the catch and the wings!

KR
Thomas

[Lubo]

Silver, this is a beauty, OK, I guess they made them both ways - with polished highlights to the wings and with all polished top of the wings!
Same as the catches, I have to say that I have never seen an unpaited catch to a GWL PO! I guess we all learn here!
As I've said before there is no paint to the pin, what you see are reflections!
Here are photos of the rivets and the mm!

[Lubo]

and the mm and fingerprint

[Lubo]

one more pic of the front with different light
............
if this finish is a forgery, maybe it's time to change the hobby

[Lubo]

I am posting here the pics of the sales thread for future referencies, because I am withdrawing the badge from sale!
Keep in mind that all my pictures are taken under natural light (not artificial light conditions, as the ones shown), the difference for the eye can be pretty big!

[Lubo]

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[Lubo]

last ones

[Alex Bolotnikov]

The finish of eagle and wreath is very unnatural. Imo it's a sign of modern "upgrade"...

[herkules]

GWL p/o - mint condition

Hi again,
I compared a minty GWL p/b with this GWL p/o...
when you look at the (normaly) polished top of the wing you'll
see that on the p/b you see a line looking like a seem whereas a p/o
badge does not normally show that ....
this apart from other particulars could leave you with the impression
that we could/might be talking about a mutated p/b ?!
Sorry
Wolf