Bomber clasp in gold for your review.

[USA-Alex]

Hello,

I got this beauty yesterday and I'd like to get a few on it.
I do like it but my paranoia keeps me worried

Thanks


Alex

[USA-Alex]

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[Thomas Durante]

Hi Alex,

An original Osang for sure, but looks ground dug to me and has been heavily cleaned in my opinion. The bomb's finish has been completely stripped away, and I also think the clasp body itself has been cleaned and polished down to its base brass color. I think the discolorations we are seeing on the clasp is not gold or bronze finish, but rather some type of corrosion resulting in this appearance.

Tom

[all1knew]

Alex,

That is not in gold and was reviewed twice on the forum:

http://wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...d.php?t=566730

http://wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...d.php?t=572468

I know because I was the one that dug this out of the woodwork!

William Kramer

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

Looking back at the old threads, the lighting really makes the clasp look different. Especially the bomb, in the previous threads it looks like you can see black on it. But these latest pics don't show any black at all, except for a few tiny spots here and there.

So that tells me that the bomb has been cleaned and stripped of its finish, as I have never seen just a silver bomb on an Osang clasp (they are always blackened). So how can the bomb have no finish left, yet the clasp supposidly have all its bronze finish 100% intact? To me that doesn't jive, and why I think it has no finish left at all, its just bare brass IMO. If there was intact bronze finish, I think we would see at least some finish loss on the tips of the leaves or high points of the swastika IMO.

Tom

[USA-Alex]

Thanks William and Tom,

I got the clasp in a recent trade, the previous owner did not say it's a gold clasp, it just looked to me like a gold grade

Looking at the bomb it does look like a ground dug clasp....


Well, I guess this one goes into the junk drawer

[pdawg1911]

Thanks William and Tom,

I got the clasp in a recent trade, the previous owner did not say it's a gold clasp, it just looked to me like a gold grade

Looking at the bomb it does look like a ground dug clasp....


Well, I guess this one goes into the junk drawer

Alex,

That is a pretty strong conclusion to say it is junk drawer material. Most of the crosses, badges, and tinnies posted on this forum show signs of finish loss, wear, oxidation, discoloration, patina, bent pins, etc. That is typically what happens to military badges that are 65+ years old. When the rare mint example does comes up, that is why we are wow'ed by them.

First off, this the exact same badge that William sold to me, and I then sold to Alex. What everyone is seeing, or not seeing, is the effect of the lighting and sharpness of the photos between different photographers. So not all cameras and photographers are exactly equal, so the same object can look different depending on those factors.

No offense, but if you go back and read the entire thread that I started, the badge looked like it did in the photos when I mailed it. It was never touched, cleaned or stripped after I took those photos, so it should look like it does in the photos I mailed you, as they are nothing more than the full sized versions that were in the thread. That thread also had a fairly robust discussion concerning the "ground dug" question.

Last point - this badge went for less than 1/2 of what nicer condition ones have been selling on here. There was no claim that it was gold, or minty. It was accurately and honestly described and photographed. You have available the normal 7 days "return as received policy", so if you aren't happy just send it back, and I will send your part of the deal back. I will also be reviewing what you traded to me when it arrives with the same expectation.

What I have learned from all this, is that I will always reference any previous thread discussions in any future items I sale. And before I purchase an item I will also search the threads for the seller's name to see if it was previously discussed.

Regards,
Pat

[USA-Alex]

Alex,

That is a pretty strong conclusion to say it is junk drawer material. Most of the crosses, badges, and tinnies posted on this forum show signs of finish loss, wear, oxidation, discoloration, patina, bent pins, etc. That is typically what happens to military badges that are 65+ years old. When the rare mint example does comes up, that is why we are wow'ed by them.

First off, this the exact same badge that William sold to me, and I then sold to Alex. What everyone is seeing, or not seeing, is the effect of the lighting and sharpness of the photos between different photographers. So not all cameras and photographers are exactly equal, so the same object can look different depending on those factors.

No offense, but if you go back and read the entire thread that I started, the badge looked like it did in the photos when I mailed it. It was never touched, cleaned or stripped after I took those photos, so it should look like it does in the photos I mailed you, as they are nothing more than the full sized versions that were in the thread. That thread also had a fairly robust discussion concerning the "ground dug" question.

Last point - this badge went for less than 1/2 of what nicer condition ones have been selling on here. There was no claim that it was gold, or minty. It was accurately and honestly described and photographed. You have available the normal 7 days "return as received policy", so if you aren't happy just send it back, and I will send your part of the deal back. I will also be reviewing what you traded to me when it arrives with the same expectation.

What I have learned from all this, is that I will always reference any previous thread discussions in any future items I sale. And before I purchase an item I will also search the threads for the seller's name to see if it was previously discussed.

Regards,
Pat

Hello Pat,

thanks for chiming in, it's much appreciated
I kinda agree, the term 'junk drawer' is a little rough for this badge but it is certainly not for my display cabinet either

No hard feelings from my side, as you said, I got the badge very reasonable.
I will put it up for sale at the estand for what I paid / traded for.


Thanks

Alex