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    Silver Recon Clasp

    Well, couldn't complete the weekend without buying something. I went to a small military show, very small, only about 20 tables and as I was talking to a dealer about an Air Gunners badge when he pulled out a box of items he was selling but had no price on them yet. I snagged this out of that box. Of course it was a veteran purchase.

    Searched for Recon Clasps on the forum and I feel very confident in this one. It's not marked other then the "O" so I believe it's an S&L. Maybe even mid - war.

    Let me know.
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          I am not a big fan of these supposedly latewar S&L's!

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            #6
            I,m with Lubo on this as there is no way of knowing if it was manufactured during or post-war.
            It is a nice one though.

            Regards,
            Frank

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              Personally I wouldn't want it in my clasp collection...

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                #8
                Wow, not the response I was hoping to hear.

                Studying this Recon Clasp to the others on the forum, I was certain it to be 100%. I still feel that way but I will let others chime in before I notify the dealer for a return.

                What are the "Red Flags" on this badge that is not liked?

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                  Originally posted by RKarum View Post

                  What are the "Red Flags" on this badge that is not liked?
                  I believe the circle on the back is a trait of post-war S&L examples, or am I mistaken?

                  William Kramer
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                    Hi guys,

                    Well, these are very controversial badges. I don't know of any S&L clasps that have bee found directly in the hands of vets, but there is some evidence that S&L could have produced some of these LW flight clasps late in the war. They have been found on post-war "barter boards" that were sold to GIs after the war, which are thought to have been made from leftover wartime stocks.

                    So there is a good chance (in my opinion) that S&L made some LW flight clasps during the last months of the war. But the real question to me is when did S&L start up new production after the war? Was it in 1946 or was it in 1950, or 1955?? That is the million dollar question for me that still needs to be answered.

                    With all that said, I do not like the oval hinge plate on the clasp shown here. To me, this is sign of postwar production since it is my opinion that S&L did not use that type of hingeplate on their wartime products. This type of plate is often found with the type of pins S&L used on their 1957er badges and other sorts of "questionable" badges. Based on that, and also the extremely minty finish of this flight clasp, I would say that it COULD be a wartime-produced clasp that was leftover and finished POSTWAR with POSTWAR hardware. OR it was made totally postwar.

                    My gut feeling is that since it appears to be made from zinc, it is a wartime-produced clasp, but put together after the war.

                    Tom
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                      Originally posted by all1knew View Post
                      I believe the circle on the back is a trait of post-war S&L examples, or am I mistaken?

                      William Kramer
                      I don't think so.

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                        Regarding the "o" mark, it is true that S&L used this mark on several of their 1957 badges. But it is also found on a few badges that MAY have been made during the last few months of the war, such as the Kriegs S-Boat badge and the S&L DK. Again, these are "questionable" badges by some collectors, but have been found on the "barter boards" that were alledgedly put together right after the war's end for GIs. So there are two schools of thought with these barter boards:

                        1. If you believe that S&L didn't start new production up right after the war's end, then you would have to say that the "barter boards" have badges on them that were leftover from wartime production and that S&L did make the S-Boat, LW flight clasps and the DK in the last months of the war.

                        OR

                        2. You believe that S&L didn't make these badges during the war, which means that they would have to make new dies and punch out badges POSTWAR and sell to GIs as souveniers.

                        I don't know which camp I am in yet On the one hand I find it hard to believe that S&L would make a whole bunch of new dies right after the war, just to be able to sell to GIs as souveniers. But on the other hand, I know people will do ANYTHING to survive and the acknowledgment that demand for souveniers increases dramatically as front-line troops are replaced with non-combat "occupation" troops. I personally feel that the barter boards are likely a good snap-shot of what was leftover right after the end of the war. But as time went on, these barter boards could start to have pieces on them that might not have been made during the war, or by S&L. For me, it all comes down to WHEN the barter boards were found and what the circumstances (i.e., I would believe more in a barter board picked up in July 1945 rather than one that was picked up in 1946 or 1950 for instance).

                        Tom
                        If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

                        New Book - The German Close Combat Clasp of World War II
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