Tombak Assmann Glider on Manions

[Rich G]

You guys have seen many Assmann badges ..

Noone thinks the barrel hinge is rather bulky, the rivets are rather small, the maker mark is rather small, the wreath has round edges and there's no hand finishing, no file marks .. ?!

Jos.

Jos,

I already made that comment about the rivets and the marking. As I said before I am very skeptical.

Rich

[Thomas Durante]

I however ask myself the following question => quite a few seems to be convinced that there did pop up now 2 "A" marked badges. Why are you guys so sure? Could'nt it be the very same badge?.

Hi Stijn,

Yes, a valid thought and something that crossed my mind as well. Based on the marks on the reverse however, it appears to be two different badges to my eye, but lighting can make a huge difference.

Tom

[frankscholz]

IMO a authentic rare badge.

i have handle same tyb badge for 2 years , barrel , catch, needle , solder was all for me ok

and we all know the many variety stamps by assmann and why not produce so a big firm not a glider.
perhaps only a little number of badges.




Regards

Frank

[Alex Bolotnikov]

Why do the sellers of such damn rare badges always have so bad photos?

[frankscholz]

Big interest 51 bids now / 3600$ and 13hours to end of auction

[Leroy]

With commission, that's over $4200. Somebody must think they know something.

I hope they are right!

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

Unfortunately Manions was not set up at the MAX, so I didn't get a chance to study this in hand as much as I wanted to. Hopefully one of our members will win the bid so we can study this interesting badge a bit further with some better pics or scans.

Incidently, I have heard concerns that the maker mark is too small compared to other Assmann LW badges. This rings true with Assmann Pilot, Observer and Para badges. However, Assmann flak badges have a small maker mark that looks very close in size to what we see on this glider. Here is the "A" mark from one of my Assmann flak badges. Not an exact match, but very close in design and they look to be about the same size to my eye.

Tom

[rfleming32]

Sold for $3,678

[Stijn David]

Glider badge

Hello,


Whoever bought this badge, i hope he will be happy with the badge. It is quite a large ammount for something that can't be proven at this point.


Cordial greetings,

[germanmedals]

Who knows how many collections are full of fakes or unknown peaces because people doesnt use forums to check their items. Well on other hand, untill those items stay in their hand and they are happy with them, no harm is done In otherhand if someday they learn that they have spend too much for nonoriginals, the pain will be quite big.
That many earn money by selling fakes we all know and not much can be done about that.

At least, lets hope that the new owner will enjoj this peace. I like it, but I'm not ready to spend that much money on uncertain item - i learned my lession to first advice with fellow collectors

[Lubo]

I don't think that that's a fake, very limited run - maybe, the fakers still have a lot to catch up!
Congrats on the new owner, I would certainly love to handle/own this badge!

[Jos L C]

That's a lot of cash for something unknown, I'd love to see good close-ups ..
I'm a believer in certain things, but investigation takes over 90%, not only a few pics and many maybe's ..
Would love to see this baby in a era pic ..
The retired pilot badge was a mystery for a long time, but at least 5 different pics showed up last couple of years, I think this was a tough one..
To find gliders should be much easier ..

And no, I don't believe Assmann only made 1 or 2 of these and if it should've been only for the Fuehrer and Goering .., cause that's the way it goes with limited runs IMO.
Don't underestimate fakers, we're only focused on the few we know, the many we don't know, but certainly not on the non-existing high end delivery ones.
If they can make knight crosses which are fooling whole world and even most specialists, why not flight badges ?!
Still..I think this Assmann product doesn't look sound to me, they could've used the "normal" A on this one, they could've used the proper rivets.., they could've making the badge look like all other Assmann flight badges, but they didn't..
The view of the back tells me there's something wrong ..
Should a limited run look different ?
And if so, why ?
Why change all tools for a limited run, I'm very curious ?
I've seen Juncker gliders very close to the original, with the very fine maker mark and they were great badges to see, now we've to deal with a elusive one, please tell me the differences if there's a Assmann glider with provenance ...
As a note, Assmann badges aren't rare, you'll find one on each and every street corner, why not their gliders ?
Gliders are more rare, but if anyone should've produce them by the many, it would've been Assmann IMO.
I've never noticed any limited runs by Assmann, they had a name to keep up and would be 1st with a few other makers to create such badge, not only creating a few in a back room !
When legit we should see them as much as Juncker or even more .., no
It's 1+1=2, if you start a run you make many, that's what we know, not only creating let's say 5, Fuehrer would not allow that, he was on the penny..

Jos.

[Lubo]

Jos, I wish I had the answers to all of your questions!
I like what I see, with only a very little hesitation about this and that, due to the fact that this is a badge unseen before!
Hopefully the new owner is one of us, and will be willing to shed light into the subject!
I was wandering if this auction house allows personal examination (before auction's end), which they should, with this being said, it is unhealthy to spend that kind of money on a few (not so good) pictures, possibly the new owner hand-examined the badge prior to the final!
But like you said, we can go with the mayyybeees as much as we want, until we get something solid

[AFF96]

Is it possible, just possible, that by very close examination of known GB's in photos in wear, we have just made assumptions they were Juncker, BSW or and there's a photo of an Assmann instead? Many of the photos the GB badges aren't very clear so, again, maybe just maybe.
Just a thought?

[Tim Calvert]

It's a fun debate....having the thing in hand, with a 10x loop would make it clear,IMO
....it would be nuts to spend that $$ on something without a kick a55 return policy.
havent logged onto Munson's in ten years....good question, what kinda return deal do they have these days?
Hope one of our locals got it and can let us know.
P. fawkin S. I fawkin hate fawkin writing on my fawkin phone!!!! Took me a fawkin hour!
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