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right i pretty much know what the answer to this is going to be , i was sold this as a late badge with soldered wings ,if as i predict its tosh , despite being a while since i bought it i m going to try and return it to the dealer (it was sold as the real deal) -
Need closer (and better) photos.
The odds are very high that it IS junk, but, on the other hand, it is rubbish to think that no Luftwaffe badges were soldered.Comment
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Leroy , i was under the impression that no glider badges were soldered?Originally posted by Leroy View PostComment
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Hello, the only soldered eagle, proven so far as original is the one on the bulky glider (private purchase badge), the one that you are showing doesn't have the right hinge for any known awarded badge. Despite the bad pics, the answer to your riddle IMO is to try to get your money back.
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I was talking about LW badges in general, not specifically the glider badge. If the wreath and eagle are original on a Luftwaffe badge and only the lack of rivets is the question, the badge should not be rejected out of hand.Comment
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late glider badge
Hello,
This is the type of glider badge that can also be encountered with the "Souval" marking.
Therefore not original. Return (when possible) it is the best advice.
Cordial greetings,Comment
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I'm in no way defending this particular badge, but the membership here should know that, after the war, Souval acquired dies from other wartime manufacturers to make postwar copies of badges it had not made during the war. A lot easier than creating new sets of dies for everything.
So, just because a particular style badge also appears as a postwar Souval, that does not necessarily mean that the same style badge could not also have existed during the war.Comment
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im sorry
Hello,
Thank you leroy for getting the extra information.
Has anyone ever seen the dies that Souval did use? I mean please be carefull with jumping or concluding things because one could then easely assume => these badges are OK.
But that is just an assumption. I know this particular type of badge and the eagle is the one from the BSW products. So did Souval then earn the eagle die (both company's - Souval and BSW where based in Vienna) or is it simply a BSW badge that was used as a master and then was being reproduced?
I agree with you that it is not because a certain badge does pop up as a postwar repro that all badges with a similar appearance are wrong. That is true but mostly a original wartimebadge was used to reproduce. Then one also has similaritys.
Cordial greetings,Comment
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Stijn,
That's very interesting about the BSW eagle.
My understanding is that Souval used dies to strike the vast majority of its products, rather than casting from molds made from original badges.
Certainly very helpful to be able to recognize component parts!
Regards,
LeroyComment
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late glider badge
Hello Leroy
Yes and the similarity between the BSW and the Souval eagle is strking. as far as i have seen it it is not the same. At this point i stick with it that the BSW badge was used as the mother and that these 'Souval' badges where then made from these.
Offcoarse it would be super to see such dies pop up. Does anyone uberhaupt know howlong Souval did make badges after the war? And what did happen towards the dies or other stuff that company went out of bussines??
The same about BSW. When did that company end its activity?
Many many questions and hope to read answers once
Cordial greetings,Comment
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It would be very nice to know the precise measurements of both the eagle and wreath.
Maybe we should have a new forum rule: when a badge is posted for discussion, measurements should be included.Comment
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