Juncker FJ Badge

[Frank Heukemes]

Jesus, guys. This sounds as if 99% of all Juncker paras sold by dealers were fakes and is an insult to all guys who own fine Juncker paras bought from dealers with their hard earned money. After all, it is just a very common and easy to find badge, we are just willed to pay too much for them.

And what´s vet acquired? US vet? These guys might have been fooled as well, they might not remember clearly or might simply lie. Even a German vet acquisition is not safe if it wasn´t your own father.

It is always just our knowledge that should lead us to conclusions.

Cheers, Frank

[Luftm40]

There was no insult intended...I'm sure most of the badges posted are 100% good. I just thought from a RESEARCH perspective it would be interesting to see one that is as close to a KNOWN 100% original as possible. Just for comparison sake. Yes yes I know, the evil US vets and their fake badges. I'm sure there are many guys out there who have pulled dozens of these things out of the woodwork from said US vets...they can't all be bad. I simply wanted to see a piece like that, but apparently we don't have any available. No sweat. We should decide with knowledge based on what? Dealer COAs? I hope that isn't the only standard. This one is over for me...I'm sure you guys will figure it out

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello Gentlemen,

The proposed Para badge from Tim C. IMHO is original. The points that have been proposed I feel are really a stretch. Juncker was known for crappy Swaz’s . I have looked at this piece over and over again as well as compared it with pieces from Stephan Wolfe’s collection in a recent trip and really can’t find anything that says repo.

@ Andy; airtight province, well I am the number one fan of such things, but providing such province is near impossible, therefore research is the key. I think that I can speak for everyone when I say that none of us have air tight province on even the majority of what we own.

This has been a good thread as it has raised some great discussion and review on the maker as well as the badge, BUT , in the end looking at all aspects of the example posted, it has province and is a fine example to me.

Also look for many fine examples of everything as many of the older collectors are cashing in as well as vets passing on at a rate of 1000 of them a day. Great pieces are surfacing that never make it to the Internet. I also recently viewed a collection of a battle of the bulge vet that is now 85 and is going to be offering all of his collection. Many mint pieces well stored over the years. Just, a point in reference to more mint pieces surfacing.

Just my final thoughts on the piece, I think that Andy will be really giving up a fine example if he decides to return it.

Cordially Yours,
JD

[Pascal H.]

As Jos already mentioned, I am now the lucky owner of his Para badge. I don’t know about the provenance of this badge but I think I can speak for the both of us that there is no doubt that this badge is absolutely original. I didn’t ask Jos for provenance on this badge as there was (and still is) no need for.

What is airtight provenance anyway? Well in my eyes airtight provenance is if you are the recipient of the award and you have kept your award in safe since you have been awarded it. So in my eyes airtight provenance doesn’t exist anymore. Too many things could have happen to a award in the last 60 years.

If anyone is interested I can provide some detailed photos of Jos his old (and now mine ) Para badge.

Pascal

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Pascal,

Yes, go ahead with the pics, please. It never hurts to steal some good pics for the reference files!

Cheers, Frank

[Pascal H.]

Ok, here are some more detailed pictures of my Para badge. Please let me know if you would like to have some more.

Pascal

[Pascal H.]

Picture 2

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Picture 3

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Makers mark

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Last picture

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello Gentleman,

@Pascal, very nice, stunning example, what makes it original? Just making a point.

@ Andy, look at this piece posted by Pascal, nice, BUT, I wanted to comment on the Swaz , the claws and a host of other items than it would fall right in line with your piece and create much confusion.

Point that I am driving at is,

The Swaz’s on Pascal’s is not perfect ( meaning mathamatically symetric) nor should it be, but one could say well the arm is thinner than the other three, unfinished to one side et .

That is what happened to the piece that Andy posted, nothing wrong with the piece; it was a Juncker and displayed those characteristics that are associated, with that maker. All Third Reich pieces were a combination of machine/ human craftsmanship, therefore every badge if you really wanted to spend the time would have it’ s own fingerprint so to speak. The Germans made the best badges because everyone else did not put the time into it (they did not have to the other countries were on the defensive and the badges awarded by other countries were not intended to have the propaganda associated with them as Third Reich badges), the German badges were very symbolic then and now, they were made with that pretense: meaning a larger emphasis was placed as using the awards a propaganda tools more than any other country. Just re-inventing the wheel based on a host of other ideas barrowed from other empires at different times in history. The whole Third Reich was of that pretense of barrowing pieces from other empires or cultures, yes something new , like a fusion of older ideologies put into a pot and come up with something new, but not original, not even the holocaust. Study roman history and they made the holocaust look like nothing.

Best,
JD

[John Hodgin]

Hello all,

I'm very late to this thread and probably would have overlooked it were it not for Mr. Saez. My current work load limits my reading time here for the next month or so.

Just to throw another badge into the mix, here are some photos of mine. It is early, very heavy, and I've had it about 20 years. It was worn, the talons are worn smooth and so is much of the wreath detail.

Regards,
John

[John Hodgin]

Reverse

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clasp detail

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swas detail