Assmann Flak, two patterns?

[Kecon]

Here is the reverse of my A flak. I hope.
Can't explain the #2 overstamp.

Regards
Ken

[Frank Heukemes]

The eagles on the Lorenzo/Frank type are also stamped with a little behatted "Assmann". Kecon seems to already have known, I just found out yesterday when looking at my badge again. Never took notice of it before!

Cheers, Frank

[Frank Heukemes]

Here is a badge owned by Wood from the UK. Interesting die fault marks on the reverse and the same setup as on Kecon´s badge (the catch seems to be replaced):

[Frank Heukemes]

reverse

[Frank Heukemes]

mark

[Wood]

Hi Frank,
After your little quiz and a good close look, mine also has the mini "A" stamped, in the same place, on the eagles wing. Yours
Wood

[Lorenzo Brown]

Yep...mine does too! Thanks, Frank. I never noticed it before.

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Another good Luft Flak thread.

Heres mine into the fray, same as all the others I´m afraid.

Skip

[ERIC S.]

Sorry I can't help Frank - I don't have an Assmann Flak Badge at the present time either.
ERIC

[Frank Heukemes]

Thanks guys, the one I am especially looking for is the type with the drilled hole and different obverse design. Nobody has one of that kind?

I would be very interested to compare features in detail and possible similarities with other makers than Assmann. Mike P., of course I am aware of your excellent flak badge site and know you have both types pictured there.
What would interest me is how do we know that second type is really an Assmann badge and not just a fake that stole the obverse design from other makers? That always bothered me.

Cheers, Frank

[Lorenzo Brown]

Hi Frank. I tend to agree with your curiosity about the multi-pattern Assmann Flak badge. It is peculiar that a badge instituted as late as the Luft Flak would have two distinct patterns. Many Luft flight qualification badges had several patterns over time, however, many of these were instituted in 1936, so it would make sense that a maker would change patterns during the span of the war.

The Luft Flak badge, however, wasn't instituted until 1941....so why a major pattern change in such a short time-frame?

Hmmmmm....curious indeed!

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

I haven't contributed to this thread because I'm nowhere near my badges/images at present (so I don't have images to post). A few years ago I bought an Assmann marked LW Flak Badge - tombak, hinge/pin/catch looked OK for Assmann, stamped "A" (not raised). I thought it was OK until Assmann Flak Badges were discussed a few months (maybe a year?) ago and I saw Frank and Lorenzo's examples - mine was totally different so it went into the shoe box. It's probably a cast of a Juncker - good quality though. It came from a collector who bought it from a dealer/author in the US (alarm bells were ringing at that stage, but not loud enough!). Philippe may remember it as the smaller badge in the LW image from my thread in the Collections Forum. I'll post pics whenever I get home.

Regards
Mike K

[Mike Pinkus]

Frank
pretty cool finding the mark on the eagle...i never noticed that but my later war A marked flak has the same mark on the eagle!
very cool
anyway i do not have a copy of the "fake"..... on my site i have a pic...
i always went by the rule of the "raised mark" is good the engraved mark is bad.
mike
http://flakbadges.homestead.com

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Mike,

Now you have me confused. On your site, the Assmann on the left (that has the "Junckery" design, hole and "engraved" mark) is shown as an earlier example Assmann.
I have to be honest that I always doubted that style Assmann badge and can´t seem to grasp why these two badges existed side by side (or why one should be earlier than the other). Is there an explanation?

Cheers, Frank

[Mike Pinkus]

Frank
i got that pic from a member (Gene....)....the badge on the right is mine, the repo is shown in the repo section...so i guess i am showing 3 different badges in total.
i always thought the juncker type pins were an early nickel silver version.
Gene if you are out there comment, maybe this picture needs to be moved to the repo section as well
mike

Dear Mike,

Now you have me confused. On your site, the Assmann on the left (that has the "Junckery" design, hole and "engraved" mark) is shown as an earlier example Assmann.
I have to be honest that I always doubted that style Assmann badge and can´t seem to grasp why these two badges existed side by side (or why one should be earlier than the other). Is there an explanation?

Cheers, Frank[/QUOTE]