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    #1

    Help with Honor Goblet Recipient

    I am picking up a Luftwaffe Honor Goblet at the SOS and was wondering if anyone can help me out with any details on the recipient (type of unit,awards,etc.) It was awarded to Lieutenant Hans Wintzel Feb 2 1943.
    Thanks Jay Parisi
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    #2
    Can't find anyone with that name as an Honour Goblet winner.

    /Ian
    Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

    Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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      Last edited by Ian Jewison; 02-18-2007, 03:51 PM. Reason: duplicate post
      Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

      Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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        #4
        There was a Lt Hans Witzel with 26 geshw who had 14 ks.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Hike View Post
          There was a Lt Hans Witzel with 26 geshw who had 14 ks.
          According to the reference I have with me at the moment he was awarded the Ehrenpokal on 15.03.1943.

          /Ian
          Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

          Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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            #6
            According to my documentation the Leutnant Hans Witzel from JG 26 was killed in action on the 17th september 1941.

            Receiving the honor goblet posthumously in 1943 is perhaps a bit late but why not.

            Pierre

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              #7
              I have contacted the seller and the goblet is name to Leutanant Hans Witzel am 27-2-43.If he was KIA in 1941 is this a normal practice to award these posthumously?Thanks to all who replyed.Jay Parisi

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                #8
                The recipient on the goblet is Hans Witzel 5./JG27 and not Hans-Karl Witzel JG26 who was killed on 17 sept. 1941.

                I have some info on his sorties but the last one is dated 26 june 1941.

                I can confirm that Hans Witzel received his goblet officially on 15-03-1943 so a bit later then the date on the goblet itself which isn't that abnormal.

                Kris
                Last edited by kris simoens; 02-19-2007, 03:26 PM.

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                  #9
                  Questions

                  First things first I'm defiantly not a luftwaffe guy. So if the question seems silly bare with me please. Where are you guys getting this great information from? Is it a web site, book, personal records you keep? Is there anyway I can get access to this information?


                  Thank you
                  Kenneth

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
                    Can't find anyone with that name as an Honour Goblet winner.

                    /Ian
                    Hi.
                    Can you tell me if this man Heinz Hartisch ever got Honour Goblet?
                    Thank you

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                      #11
                      Hi,

                      Oberleutnant Heinz Hartisch (pilot), honor goblet on the 18.05.42. I hope it helps .

                      Pierre

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                        #12
                        Luftwaffe Honour Goblet

                        I have been searching for ages for any details on Oberfeldwebel Lothar Tiekenhenrich who received his goblet on 3.3.41.

                        If anyone has any information about this guy will they let me know?

                        Thanks.

                        Stan

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                          #13
                          Stan,

                          Your man will be hard to find as the Ehrenliste der Deutschen Luftwaffe listing new recipients of the Ehrenpokal did not start until 1.9.1941. The award of the Ehrenpokal actually started 27.2.1940!

                          I can not find a Tiekenhenrich receiving any higher awards in my lists.

                          Regards,
                          Ian
                          Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                          Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                            #14
                            Luftwaffe Honour Goblet

                            Ian,

                            Yes, I well know the problem but thanks anyway for trying.

                            Regards,

                            Stan

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                              #15
                              Stan,

                              Chris Goss asked the same question a few years ago on 12 O'clock High and got no reply.

                              /Ian
                              Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                              Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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