CEJ Glider Badge - Help Please!

[TobyR]

Hi Everybody!

Today somebody showed me a Juncker (supposedly) glider badge, CEJ marked.

This is the first time I've had the opportunity to handle one and as such, I have to say that I'm suspicious (but lacking in sufficient knowledge to be certain). I'm afraid I have no photos yet (since the item presently isn't for sale though the owner 'threatened' to pass it my way in the near future.

My initial suspicions centre around the pin and hinge. Would I be right in thinking that this badge should have the wide hinge typical of Juncker badges, as found for example on the Radio Operators Badge? Whilst examining said Glider Badge, I was able to compare it with my Radio Operators Badge and the hinge on the glider badge was considerably narrower.

I've tried searching the archive to find a photo of a CEJ marked glider badge but was unsuccessful. Can anyone post a photo (obverse and reverse) please?

Thanks for your time.

All the best,
Toby.

[Raz]

Hi Toby, here's mine...

[TobyR]

Hi Raz,

Many thanks for the photos but tell me, am I right in thinking that all Juncker glider badges (even those marked 'CEJ') would feature the same hinge / pin arrangement as yours?

Thanks for your time.

Cheers,
Toby.

[François SAEZ]

Toby,

Step 1 : why are you mentionting CEJ markings? I mean have you seen this marking or you suppose it is marked this way because you are told it is an early JUNCKER one?

Like you, I am learning

[TobyR]

Hi Francois,

I saw the piece earlier today. The person who showed it to me is a collector who lives locally. He had promised to show a few of his prize pieces. The glider badge was one of them. He also mentioned that he might consider selling it in the near future.

However, upon examining it, I became suspicious as to its authenticity. I did not have my camera with when he showed it to me and as a result no pictures.

The piece concerned had the Juncker mark, 'CEJ' (in a box). It looked to be of a high quality, although I felt the shear marks had an unsettling appearance - possibly cast. And then there was the hinge - I was (am) under the impression that, as a Juncker piece, the hinge would be of the characteristic elongated barrel design. However, I am not experienced enough to know this with certainty.

And therein lies the essence of my concerns. So any advice will be gratefully received.

Thanks,
Toby.

[TobyR]

PS Do the different Juncker marks have different manufacturing periods associated to them?

For some reason I was under the impression that the CEJ mark was the earlier mark. A mistake?

Thanks,
Toby.

[François SAEZ]

My opinion, and I will be corrected if I am wrong is that there is no CEJ glider badges, only C.E. Juncker ones

[W. C. Stump]

NO SUCH BIRD

I have never seen a CEJ marked glider badge nor have I ever heard of an original so marked. Only those marked like this would I have in my collection.

[W. C. Stump]

OBVERSE

Obverse of the C. E. Junker Glider Badge.

[ERIC S.]

Hello Toby,
I am not aware that there are CEJ marked Glider Badges either. I have seen my share of C.E. Juncker Berlin SW marked ones, but none that carry the CEJ marking. The example shown by Mr. Stump is "textbook" - find one similar in all aspects to this one and you'll definately have a winner!
ERIC

[Brian S]

I've seen ONE I believe in and it's Tim Calvert's. I should have said I've HELD one good one and it's Tim's. I give up without a badge in the hand and a loop in the eye.

[Mike Kenny]

Hi Toby,

Without seeing the badge I would be suspect of it beacuse of the marking alone. I've certainly never seen what looked like a genuine badge marked that way. The badges weren't INSTUTED until very late 1940 (first manufacture/award date would therefore be later) and from what I've been able to figure out Juncker probably stopped using the boxed CEJ marking in 1939, MAYBE as late as early 1940.

Regards
Mike K

[Stijn David]

Glider pilots badge

Hello,


I agree totally with was has been said here => Iff you want a Junckers maker marked piece go for one that has the exact characteristics as Mr.Stump's badge. All other juncker maker marked variants will end in a bummer for you.


Cordial greetings,

[TobyR]

A big thank you to all who took the time to set me straight on the 'CEJ' glider badge. It won't be coming in me direction now.

All the best,
Toby.

[Tim Calvert]

I was under the impression that badges marked "CEJ" in a box were not produced any later than mid '37. Probably earlier.
Only my opinion.