Luftwaffe Flak no maker

[jabbo]

I've searched the archives and can't find one that looks like this one - specifically the elongated triangle cutout between the wreath and the gun.

Comments are welcome - specifically, is the maker known?

[jabbo]

Reverse

[Marc Garlasco]

Sorry, but in my opinion this is for the fake gallery. The wreath is all wrong - too thin and shaped poorly - like a BIG oval. The barrel is too thin. The cutout is wrong. The rear setup is typical of many fakes. The top of the wreath in the rear is the wrong shape - should have two humps like a camel instead of being rounded. And the material looks very poor from the back like a casting.
Regards,
Marc

[jabbo]

I don't think it's cast - the texture you see on the back is what's left of the finish - also, it shows decent shear marks on the sides.

Sorry, but in my opinion this is for the fake gallery. The wreath is all wrong - too thin and shaped poorly - like a BIG oval. The barrel is too thin. The cutout is wrong. The rear setup is typical of many fakes. The top of the wreath in the rear is the wrong shape - should have two humps like a camel instead of being rounded. And the material looks very poor from the back like a casting.
Regards,
Marc

[Lorenzo Brown]

I must admit that SOME of the details of this badge actually look good.

However, overall, I must agree with Marc's observations that the badge is likely a fake.

[jabbo]

Also, the original picture doesn't show the humps...this one does.

Sorry, but in my opinion this is for the fake gallery. The wreath is all wrong - too thin and shaped poorly - like a BIG oval. The barrel is too thin. The cutout is wrong. The rear setup is typical of many fakes. The top of the wreath in the rear is the wrong shape - should have two humps like a camel instead of being rounded. And the material looks very poor from the back like a casting.
Regards,
Marc

[Lorenzo Brown]

I see the "shear" marks you refer to. The "pin bend" is a nice feature....however, the thickness of the badge; the sharp edges and the lack of wreath features still cause me to believe the badge is not authentic.

Can you show us a good close-up of the catch?

[jabbo]

The catch

[Lorenzo Brown]

Jabbo---thank you for the pictures.

Unfortunately.....the catch is not convincing. Although the "C-Catch with the flat base" is a nice feature...the uneven base upon which it sits does not display the high quality workmanship that typifies many authentic awards. In addition....the "white residue" on the base looks artificially imparted.

Sorry to say I still think this badge is artificial ...
.......but other opinions are welcome.

[skip]

I´d agree with Marc and the masked one. Flat cut hinge is typical of many modern fakes. A good casting will also carry shear marks across.

Skip

[emaroli]

I also agree that it is a reproduction. I do not believe it is a casting for if it was it would be a casting of a known type. What we could have here is new type of fake, made unmarked and correct in its hardware setup. By using a new obverse design the forgers can create a piece that looks correct and without a maker mark there is no reference point. ~Ed

[Marc Garlasco]

Look at the wreath - it is all wrong. See how the canon meets it in the back? It thins - I have never seen a Flak badge like that. And thanks for showing the humps - but they are so uniform! Very strange.
Marc

[Marc Garlasco]

Just found the badge in question. Look at the fakes section - someone posted a post-war Souval. Has the same triangle cutout. Catch is different - but the rest are spot-on. Even the thin canon and wreath.
Marc

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.net/foru...130#post911130

[Ludwig]

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IMO not original. Sorry!

[George Stimson]

Here's the one Marc is talking about that I posted in the Fakes Gallery. It has been called to my attention ( ) that while the catchplate might be Souval, the catch itself is not. What say everyone?