Opinions on U Boat badge--possible S&L Type 2 zinc

[peterwyndavies]

John,
I have managed to take the following pictures, which I thought I would post tonight.

[peterwyndavies]

Some more pictures.

[peterwyndavies]

A few more pictures.

[John T]

That was a good deal.

[peterwyndavies]

Thanks John
Peter.

[Norm F]

Hi Peter,

Thanks for posting those photos. Your badge has a lot of character and has the less common Lüdenscheid-type catch, also used by S&L on their zinc minesweeper. In my opinion your badge is a mid-zinc production S&L from the type 2 die.

Here is an example of a badge from Flanders Militaria website with the same catch but from the type 1 die which I believe is earlier since this is the die used in the tombak version. This zincer has the same catch as yours.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Norm F]

more views

[Norm F]

note the catch

[Norm F]

Here's a comparison detail of the Flanders Militaria badge (type1) with your type 2 badge. Notice the "squished laurel leaf" of the type 1. It was Gordon Williamson who first pointed out these die differences in what otherwise look like the identical obverse design.

[Norm F]

And here's one of these U-boat catches next to a zinc S&L minesweeper catch from a minesweeper badge Marcus Hatton posted previously.

[Norm F]

You can see the tombak version with the "squished laurel leaf" in this thread.

And here's a nice minty late zinc type 2 with the the standard flat wire catch previously posted by "Kommandir RKKA" in this thread.

Also the Lüdenscheid sample boards show the type 2, and the "100" stamped W&L shown in Gordon's "Torpedo Los" is also the type 2, which is why it's still hard to know who supplied whom for these badges.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Norm F]

Here's another type 2 from a previous posting, this one with the same catch as Peter's but a pin reminiscent of Deumer's setups - again suggestive of Lüdenscheid. Probably from the same time period as Peter's badge.

[tystgaard]

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I said start with $100. The potential buyer put it at something less than 400 pounds due to its condition.

Well it where sold cheap... but think the buyer made a good deal on this one

Best
Nicolai

[mrg]

Hi guys Now thats are really good price even for a one in worn condition. Here's mine was surprised to come across one in this condition

[Norm F]

Hi guys Now thats are really good price even for a one in worn condition. Here's mine was surprised to come across one in this condition

Hi Gary,

Beautiful badge. Is that a groove running along the length of the midline of the flat wire catch? I ask because that jogs in my memory as a feature of late war S&L as well. In fact it's seen on '57 awards as well. I'll have to look around some more to confirm.

Best regards,
---Norm