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    Panzer Assault Badge Question, PAB 25?

    I recently acquired the Soldbuch of Major Horst Waldeck, who was a pre-war Panzer soldier, served in Panzer units from September 1939 until he was killed in action on 18 April 1945. The Panzerkampfabzeichen (Tank Assault Badge) is entered in his Soldbuch and he wears a Panzerkampfabzeichen in his Soldbuch photo. To me, the Panzerkampfabzeichen doesn't appear to be a Panzerkampfabzeichen in Silber (Tank Assault Badge in Silver), which was awarded for participating in 3 tank battles. I would expect such a long-serving Panzer officer who attained the rank of Major to have participated in 25 or more tank battles. Although the Panzerkampfabzeichen II. Stufe (Tanks Assault Badge IInd Level) for participating in 25 tank battles is not listed in the Soldbuch, I am wondering if the badge in the photo is a Panzerkampfabzeichen in Silber or a Panzerkampfabzeichen II. Stufe. One dealer/collector I showed the photos to said it appears that the badge is too large to be a Panzerkampfabzeichen in Silber. What do other Panzerkampfabzeichen collectors have to say?

    Barry

    P.S. As a Soldbuch collector, I can tell you that it is not unusual for awards that were earned were not always entered in a Soldbuch for various reasons.
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      It is very hard to tell from the angling if the badge is for 25 days combat. Based on that you must go by what is listed in the Soldbuch and assume that it is a standard Panzer Assault Badge. If he had been approved for one it would have been listed amongst his award listings.

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        Originally posted by vacollector View Post
        It is very hard to tell from the angling if the badge is for 25 days combat. Based on that you must go by what is listed in the Soldbuch and assume that it is a standard Panzer Assault Badge. If he had been approved for one it would have been listed amongst his award listings.
        Thanks for your comment. Agreed the photos - even after scanned at high resolution - aren't the best. You are wrong to say that the award would have been listed in the Soldbuch. As I mentioned, awards weren't always listed and I can cite numerous examples - you would have to be a document collector to know what I am talking about. I have been collecting Soldbücher and Wehrpässe for more than 40 years and can tell you for sure that for various reasons, mostly bureaucratic, awards were not always entered.

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          #5
          Hi, it’s a numbered PAB

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            #6
            Thanks Tony. I'm thinking the same. Can you elaborate?

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              #7
              Originally posted by Stormfighter View Post
              Thanks Tony. I'm thinking the same. Can you elaborate?
              It appears the wreath and tank are 2 different colors. Not definitive but strange to see that on a regular PAB

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                #8
                Hi Barry,

                Sorry for the late reaction here, i did read your email.

                I personally don't think this is a numbered PAB. The different colours are IMO of wear. Judging by the size of the piece next to the EK1 I would say it's a grade I.
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                Giel


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                  #9
                  What about a picture of page with awards listed?

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                    Originally posted by Stormfighter View Post
                    Thanks for your comment. Agreed the photos - even after scanned at high resolution - aren't the best. You are wrong to say that the award would have been listed in the Soldbuch. As I mentioned, awards weren't always listed and I can cite numerous examples - you would have to be a document collector to know what I am talking about. I have been collecting Soldbücher and Wehrpässe for more than 40 years and can tell you for sure that for various reasons, mostly bureaucratic, awards were not always entered.



                    Agree!

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                        #12
                        Only normal panzer badge written. Also it would be difficult that a 2nd class badge would be on portrait photo,...as they were late war and the soldbuch would have been replaced in that period

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                          #13
                          But also the last date is 1942,...any other pages with badges incriptions?

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                            Originally posted by germanmedals View Post
                            But also the last date is 1942,...any other pages with badges incriptions?
                            No other awards are listed.

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