Originally posted by Yuri Desyatnik
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This badge here also appears to be the Portuguese 1st type badge. -
Again a 1st type Portuguese 1st type badge.Originally posted by Yuri DesyatnikComment
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Bill
Kannenberg is wearing a badge that is DIFFERENT from Bartz'. Are you saying that there are 2 variations of the Portuguese badge? Please read CAREFULLY before coming to conclusions.
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I am saying based upon the style Crossbones only, these badges appear to be the Portuguese style 1st type badge. Such a badge is featured in FORMAN'S GUIDE TO THIRD REICH GERMAN AWARDS..AND THEIR VALUES, 3rd edition, page 14. The photo was credited to Dr. Klietmann.Originally posted by Yuri DesyatnikComment
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Klietmann shows 2 type A (Portuguese) badges in the price guide. Neither one of them has the top left cleft skull feature. But it does look like the first Type A Klietmann shows is also the same as Bartz' badge.
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IMHO
Type 1. Portuguese badge as worn by KannenbergLast edited by Brian S; 09-21-2003, 05:47 PM.Comment
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Type 2 Probably when die broke as evidenced by crossed bones on left DO MATCH Type 1 bones on left. Note right bones DO NOT MATCH Type 1 bones.
Believe clear photos worn by Bartels and Bartz.
Don't think I see another type...Last edited by Brian S; 09-21-2003, 06:00 PM.Comment
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I personally don't think that we will ever sort out the different design types of this badge. So much information has been lost and yet to be discovered. For sure it appears that more than one style if the Portuguese badge was produced and worn. I would like to know the reason for the two types. You are correct that Klietmann shows two different Portuguese badges. The same goes for Nimmergutt. However, they do not explain the reasons for the two designs. The problem we have is that it appears when the Legionnaires returned to Germany in 1939 they had two versions of the type 2 badge. We are told that Godet and Meybauer produced the 2nd type badge. for me, it all comes back to my original thinking. If one doesn't want to have a controversial badge, criticized by the many skeptics, they should acquire a known type 2 badge or one that comes directly from a documented veteran of the Condor Legion or his family. trying to acquire a 1st type badge seems to be impossible.Comment
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We seem to have photographic proof of TWO TYPES of badges.
What this thread does not need is Selbstüberschätzung.
This thread should remain pure of anything other than fact.Last edited by Brian S; 09-21-2003, 06:03 PM.Comment
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I am in total agreement with Brian. If it's not in a photo, then it should be absent from this thread. Doesn't mean that it's fake, just not pre-1939 issued.
YuriComment
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Guys,
I think there are THREE types of badges being worn. Volker is wearing the third type.
YuriComment
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Park bench? The other is too white and the details are washed out for me to think it a good third. Could you please elaborate? I am having a problem seeing it as a different type.Comment
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Self over-estimation? I am afraid that all the photographs tend to prove is that in the end we are still no closer in proving for a fact anything we didn't know at the beginning. Without solid factual information we have to make individual conclusions and speculations. The blurry enlargements provide no new information that Klietmann and Nimmergut have already provided. So I am afraid that anything one can say will be pure "Selbstüberschätzung".Originally posted by Brian SComment
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Well, here goes:
Both photos are done outside on a sunny day. The "park bench" badge has a bushier wreath and much deeper bone lines on the skull than the badge from the photo in the woods.
Also the space between the wreath and the round top of the skull is wider on the "park bench" photo.
The pre-1939 parade badge also looks brand new compared to the "park bench" badge.
Also it looks like Tanker-A and Tanker-B are wearing the same badge. And that badge looks like the Type B badge that is shown in the Forman't Guide as well.
Just my observations,
YuriLast edited by Yuri Desyatnik; 09-21-2003, 06:30 PM.Comment
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