ccc gold.. opinions please

[Luc]

I have the opportunity to buy this ccc gold.. has this a change to be good? This is all I have on pictures..

thanks

[Ludwig]

Don´t do it, man!

[javi_e]

[Bruce Simcox]

Hi Luc......

......I agree with Ludwig...don't do it!

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Luc,

IMO this is an original clasp, but need better pics and more information to be sure. Can you give us a side shot of the hinge and then one of the catch? Is anything magnetic on the clasp? What are the dimensions?

What don't all you guys like about it??

Thanks

Tom

[Don D.]

Looks like a paper picture of a clasp.

[Bruce Simcox]

Luc and Tom......

......I'll have to check the book. It's late here for me and I didn't feel like looking in the book....lazy that's all.

I think that it looks soft, especially the border oaks of the central motif(but I suppose that could mean a poor image) and I didn't like the fit of the back-plate.

[javi_e]

the ovberse have very poor details IMO. The central motif have bad details as the scroll work and the L1 oakleaf and R1 oakleaf...

[John T]

I do not like the pin assembly.

John

[PaulMann]

sorry, I have serious doubts on this one. It lacks the workmanship I would expect for such a prestigious award. Regards, Pauli

[Giel VW]

The word of the ccc book writer against the word of the ccc book readers

Imo the clasp deffinitely has potential. The reason of the weak details are because of the scanned or photographed photo of the clasp.

I'm sure we could come to an agreement if Luc could post some better scans or pictures

[Justin P]

Lots of these flaoting around these days!!!


I value your opnion Tom............saying that it looks soft to me, the eagle looks like its a Duck

would not be the first time i'm wrong!

[Thomas Durante]

The word of the ccc book writer against the word of the ccc book readers

Unprecedented, but very cool. I am glad we can all have independent comments and that no one in this hobby is the "absolute word" on anything.

With that said, I am sticking with my opinion that this is a 100% original presentation clasp (based on the limited info we have right now). Guys with the CCC book, look back over section 2.1.1, this is a First Pattern Gold Presentation Clasp. An aspect to this type of clasp is the very poor detailing on the obverse. This is due to Juncker using their original die that they used for their zink clasps and was just not sufficient to be used with tombak. Look at a first pattern Juncker clasp in zink, you will find these match perfectly. I like the burnished highlights, specifically on the swastika you can see this aspect.

On the reverse, the poor fit to the backplate is not 100% textbook, but close enough to not be a problem IMO. As I said earlier, dimensions, weight and magnetics and pictures of the hinge and catch from the side will help confirm my opinion that this is an original. If all these check out, I would have no problem with this clasp.

Tom

[münster]

Tom, Iam not into that pin or setup. Iam going to call a mutual aquantince of ours and see what he thinks.

[Luc]

thanks for all the comments.

I only have a colour copy of this ccc gold, the seller (an old man) don't has internet so he can't deliver better pictures. He has done it the old way by postmail...
There is so much comment on this badge.. but the thing that I'm realy surprised off is the fact that I've got several demands to buy the badge..

Further comments are always welcome.