Unmarked GAB

[Eric Gaumann]

Does this unmarked GAB look familiar to anyone? I mean can it be attributed to a specific maker?
And does the hinge attachment look OK?

[Philippe DB]

Hi Eric,

Here is the same GAB from my collection in a little better condition.

The badge is ok but I think it's impossible to tell who made it.

KR
Philippe

[Philippe DB]

um GAB obverse

[Eric Gaumann]

Thanks for the image Phillippe.
Anybody else say "yay or nay"?

[Bruce Simcox]

Hi gents......

......in looking over these examples I do see what seems to be one missing detail. On all of the examples of this badge that I have had the opportunity to examine there is another feather present that I don't see on either of the examples posted here.

What I speak of I will attempt to describe: From the top edge of the wing going downward are 5 small feathers. And from the 5 small feathers downward are 5 more feathers: 4 long and one really short one very close to the leg of the eagle.

I don't see it on either of the images above nor am I aware of it being a variance (if missing), but I thought that you might be interested in this observation.

Hope it helps.

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Bruce

[Philippe DB]

Hi Bruce,

Very interesting observation.

Yesterday I talk to Skip about my badge because based up on I discovery I made I had reasons to assume that this badge might be a fake.

It's a badge that I have in my collection for more then 20 years but the only conlusion we could draw out of this is that it might be an old fake.

I started doubting this badge after I discovered several riveted JFS GAB's that show exactly the same obverse layout as this badge. So my assumption was that this was the same fake but with a different reverse layout. My discussion with skip wasn't conclusive and I'm still a little in the dark here. I think the exact same badge is also featured in Mike Tuckers new book. I don't have it next to me but I think its on page 111.

After your observation on the missing fifth wing I immediately looked at the JFS fakes and strange enough on all of these fakes the fifth wing is vissible. So for me the fact that my badge lacks these feature would be a good sign but I'm still not certain about this GAB.

I'll post one picture series of a fake JFS so everybody can compare the obverse layout. Any more thoughts or input on this one would be appreciated

KR
Philippe

[Philippe DB]

Another fake JFS GAB

[stdub]

Can anyone post an ORIGINAL JFS to compare please?

Jörg

[Bruce Simcox]

Hi Phillipe......

......What I should have stated is that I have observed this detail on the genuine GAB's that I have seen and handled. I also should have mentioned that I have seen it on FAKES also. I am not positive that the omission of this detail should be a deciding factor in determining whether this is the necessary criteria to seperate the good from the bad, it is just something that I noticed here and felt it worthwhile to bring up. I would not go so far as to say the following:

So for me the fact that my badge lacks these feature would be a good sign

As we have seen in the past even the fakers get some things correct.

@Jorg: as far as I know there were no genuine, maker-marked, standard GAB's manufactured by JFS, so an image of a genuine example would, for all practical purposes, not be possible.

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Bruce

[stdub]

Ah, I understand - thank you Bruce.

Jörg

[entasis]

are all of these brass riveted GAB's fake?

Ton (NJ)

[Philippe DB]

are all of these brass riveted GAB's fake?

Ton (NJ)

No they aren't but the originals are always unmarked.

KR
Philippe

[entasis]

let me just conifrm...the one you have pictured with the brass pin, hinge, and catch is original but the marked JFS one is fake...right?

Tony (NJ)

[Don D.]

Correct.
Don

let me just conifrm...the one you have pictured with the brass pin, hinge, and catch is original but the marked JFS one is fake...right?

Tony (NJ)