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Hi Howard,
Imo there is nothing to tie this type of semi-hollow badge to JFS. The style is know but very uncommon. I do know they have also been extremely well cast (dental cast technique) in small quantities and trickled onto the market for a few years now. Although it looks very good from the obverse, the reverse looks "smooth" and makes me uncomfortable - but this is not one I can not comment on definitively on.
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Wow Mike ...that's quite a few comments you just made on something you - "Can not Comment Definitively on"Originally posted by Mike K
...does Franks Book cover the Dental versions ?
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Originally posted by Mike P.Wow Mike ...that's quite a few comments you just made on something you - "Can not Comment Definitively on" ...does Franks Book cover the Dental versions ?
Hello Mike P.
Thanks for defending the piece. But as a good friend, I ask that you not taint this posting with anything postive. As you know, I buy collections. And in these collections there are many items that I haven't sold. The uniforms and the helmet always sell first. Badges are not my speciality. I usually wind up selling them to Weitze, Hirtz, and other well known dealers. Funny how everything that I have posted is crap to a few people. Now you can understand, why I have stayed away from these forums.
Let those with tounges speak the loudest.
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Hi Howard, I am sorry that you feel this way. Nobody is telling you your pieces are bad for the fun of it. The ones that are good, you have been told they were good. Badges are not an easy hobby and there are many extremely high quality fakes on the market. Some that you have posted are not even close to being original. You post here asking for honest opinions and they have been given.
best wishes,
jeffLooking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.Comment
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Well saidOriginally posted by J. VanHofwegen
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Hi Howard ...First off , welcome to the Forum ..and I'm not being sarcastic here even though it looks like you've been taking quite a few hits here , it is a nice site and I wouldn't want you to let the replies you've had affect your view of it . I posted not defending anything but because I've noticed that many collectors are a little too "Vague" when commenting on an item ..sometimes it's done to leave them an "out" if it's finally decided to be authentic. And , I'm not talking about this post , just posts in general. If I had a doubt or was unsure about an item , I PM the owner first out of courtesy and ask for more info & pictures before I'd "fry" the item or stain it by hitting with "I don't know but I could be wrong" ...The main reason I posted was , I have never seen one of the Dental versions of this badge that Mike mentioned and really wanted to check it out ..and after all , discussion is the name of the game here ...the old days of someone posting the one-liner "IT"S FAKE" without any explanation of why - are hopefully over. That one-liner has created more hard feelings and probably turned more collectors away from the Forums than anything else.
So please don't take it the wrong way and write the Forum off ..there are a lot of great Collectors out there and you'd be a great addition to this site.Comment
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Hi Howard,
Mike K has been very diplomatic in his answer and I am sure he did not just fire off some comments without knowing what he is talking about. Not his style.
I have to say that I know this type of fake, I have seen several examples of it.
It has a couple of shortcomings compared to the original semi-hollow badges of which there are also several types. The most obvious are the eagle's head on the obverse and the hinge and catch and the smooth texture of the reverse.
Otherwise this type of fake imitates the 2.3 type numbered GABs quite well. It is a fake that has and will fool many.
This is what this fake tries to imitate (Dylan Vigh collection):Cheers, Frank
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reverseCheers, Frank
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Thanks Frank ...Now that you've posted Dylan Vigh's, I can see the differences. It looks like Howard's example was a copy of Dylan's with many of the same fingerprints. Look at the bead on the outer rim /edge at the 4 o'clock position. You can see where it looks like that edge line is missing a small section on both badges (maybe it's just the picture). I'm not sure if it's from a Die Flaw or damage but , on Dylan Vigh's Badge you can still make out remnants of a line where the bead/edge was....on Howard's , that section is much smoother. If this "section" is missing on all the originals , then all of the copies must also have that same missing bead . The details on Dylan Vigh's are crisp ..the crisp detail on the Eagles eye stands right out as well as the flaws on handle on the Bayonet ...On Dylan's you can clearly see the "reptile skin" pebbling on the Eagles feet ...on Howard's , the feet are smooth no pebbling.
I copied Howard's Badge and circled the areas and points that both Badges share. Even the feather on the Eagles breast where the end point is a little off to the left of the Feather's center spine below it.
Frank , I don't want anyone to think I was saying that Mike K was not diplomatic or polite, he was fine ...Although , I would have rather seen a more detailed response from everyone like the one you just did and this reply where the specific problems are pointed to and outlined so there is no mis-understanding , and we can all learn. I've seen too many "new poster's" alienated when they post an item up and and are more or less thrown in a dark room and told to find the door . ------" The wreath doesn't match any known example" is hardly a 60 Watt LightbulbComment
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---" The wreath doesn't match any known example"...is actually a very legitimate response to somebody who is requesting opinions regarding the authenticity of a badge.
In a world of collector uncertainty, if you post a badge on the Forum for opinions, you should be grateful for all of the little pieces of information you get to help arrive at a definite conclusion.Visit my Badge Collection: http://lbmilitaria.homestead.com/home.htmlComment
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I for one would like to thank everyone as this has been a very informative thread .
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Hi Lorenzo,You are so right ..it IS all those little pieces of Information that help us , but we DO need those pieces if we are going to make up and Identify the overall picture..not just a blanket statement .How does ---" The wreath doesn't match any known example"...help that Collector learn anything on his own except that the only place to find out if your Badge is real is Here at WA ? It would be nice to have another collector point out that ..S&L or JSF or (whoever ) had 2 or ? Dies and 2 or ? different style leaves in the wreath or a certain Acorn that doesn't match up , in-depth info detailing why, what the problems are , what to look for , pictures for comparison--or a few hyper links so the collector can research it himself and learn. I know it's is not that easy because granted , we all don't have the time to post like that . But in a case like this ..I would not want to see a new member read these Postings the wrong way and write off the Forum ..too many great guys here for thatOriginally posted by Lorenzo Brown
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Originally posted by Mike P.Hi Lorenzo,You are so right ..it IS all those little pieces of Information that help us , but we DO need those pieces if we are going to make up and Identify the overall picture..not just a blanket statement .How does ---" The wreath doesn't match any known example"...help that Collector learn anything on his own except that the only place to find out if your Badge is real is Here at WA ? It would be nice to have another collector point out that ..S&L or JSF or (whoever ) had 2 or ? Dies and 2 or ? different style leaves in the wreath or a certain Acorn that doesn't match up , in-depth info detailing why, what the problems are , what to look for , pictures for comparison--or a few hyper links so the collector can research it himself and learn. I know it's is not that easy because granted , we all don't have the time to post like that . But in a case like this ..I would not want to see a new member read these Postings the wrong way and write off the Forum ..too many great guys here for that
Hello Mike,
Frank's post was the first that had credible information, i.e. providing information to make an educated point. I don't mind peoples opinions, everyone has one. But what helps is information backing up the opinion. I could give an up or down on anything I see on this site. But what does that prove? Nothing. Nothing at all. We all want to learn. That's why I'm here!
Frank, thank you for the excellent reference book on General Assault Badges.
It is a tremendous work, and MOST worthly of my library. THANK YOU!
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