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    My First Pab

    Hello all,

    Well, I just picked this one up and after doing some research on the forum I have found that this is what people call a "Zimmerman" example. I have never owned a PAB before and when I held this in my hand it was a great feeling. The details on these things are superb and I feel that I got a good deal at $160.00

    Please let me know what you think. Thank you.

    William Kramer
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      #3
      William Nice original PAB, although these are now refered to as S&L not zimmerman

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        k

        Hello,

        Alright, I can live with S&L produced, but were they once thought to be Zimmerman? Please let me know either way. Thank you.

        William Kramer
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          #5
          Hi William,

          Some people probably still call these Zimmermann. Some other people love to call these "Juncker project", others call them Steinhauer & L******252;ck. My conviction: Steinhauer & L******252;ck.
          Apart from the Steinhauer & L******252;ck connection where there are indeed several factors to prove this theory, there is no proof or circumstantial evidence whatsoever for Zimmermann or Juncker other than a similarity in the setups of this ONE variant.

          A good start for you - right in the middle of the great badge controversy!
          Cheers, Frank

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            k

            Frank,

            Yes, I had read about the Zimmermann or Juncker hinge/catch setup and that's why I thought this one was a Zimmerman. Anyhow, still a great badge and at least I can say that I have one now. Hey, quick question for you all.......what is this badge made out of (metal) and what are the grey spots from? Is this zinc rot or something?

            Bill
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              #7
              Bill,
              More than likely it is zinc rot, get some vasoline on it and rub it off gently and it should improve

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                #8
                Congratulations William.
                pseudo-expert

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                  thank

                  Hello,

                  Thanks for viewing this for me and the compliments. Can you give an estimate on the production year? Please let me know either way. Thanks.

                  Bill
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                    #10
                    Hi Bill mate, cool PAB, I can bet there will follow more

                    Do a search on the forum about S&L PAB's, there was a good one lately.
                    Kind regards,
                    Giel

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                      #11
                      William,
                      A very good start on the slippery road of PAB collecting!

                      Chet
                      Zinc stinks!

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                        #12
                        Can you give an estimate on the production year?
                        According to the beliefs of some this would be a late 1944/early 1945 badge , I rather believe it is a midwar badge
                        Cheers, Frank

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                          #13
                          Hi Bill......

                          ......nice to see you branching out over here to the badges Forum. Very nice looking S&L. Congratulations......reasonably priced too, I will add.

                          With the vaso treatment I feel it is a good idea to let it sit for 24hrs. before gently wiping it away.

                          Expect to see something in your mailbox on Monday.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Frank Heukemes
                            According to the beliefs of some this would be a late 1944/early 1945 badge , I rather believe it is a midwar badge
                            Nice S&L Bill

                            @Frank:I would like to hear the arguments for calling this a late war badge When there is one maker fairly easy to follow in his evolution than it for sure is S&L. Preceding this badge are only the hollow Buntmetal version and 1 zinker with a variant catch. Following it you have at least 5 variants which indeed makes this a midware PAB.

                            KR
                            Philippe

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                              rot

                              Hello all,

                              So how much vaseline do I put on? I have started with a thin coat applied via Q-tip cotton swab. How do I remove it, and with what? Please let me know.

                              Bill
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