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    #181
    Alfred Scholze GmbH

    Originally posted by ddoering
    I've had a simular thought ever since I postulated the "Gablonzer Method" for crimping on these badges. That is why I would like to find out who AS (triangle) really belonged to.
    Don
    Guys,
    I know, you are probably hate me by now for my crazy theories, but when waiting for Hr. Gottstein i have one more shot from Gablonz Industries register: Alfred Scholze GmbH. From their web page:
    1939
    Formation of the Firm
    by Alfred J. Scholze, with the aim of manufacturing costume jewellery
    1946
    Development of new areas of business:
    Rebuilding of the business
    1953
    Innovative technologies:
    With the introduction of the rubber-mold casting process we became the leader in Germany.
    1965
    Company take-over:
    Taking over the management and ownership of our company by Alfred R. Scholze upon his father's sudden death
    Of course their company logo looks different now, but as we can see in 1946 company was basically starting from ZERO and in 1965 company got the new owner. It is more then enough reasons to change their logo.
    One more note: There is no more companies with AS initials in todays Gablonz Association...
    And one more note: what if AS in triangle compnay has been left behind (now in Czech Republic)?

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      #182
      Does this say what I think it does??

      Herbst:

      Aus dem Sudetenland werden bis Mitte 1947 2,9 Millionen Deutsche vertrieben. Auf Bayern, insbesondere auf das unterbevölkerte und im Krieg kaum zerstörte Ostallgäu, kommt eine riesige Flüchtlingswelle zu.

      28. November:

      Entscheidende Besprechung in der Landesstelle Glas zwi­schen Vertretern der Regierung und der Ansiedlungsgruppe Huschka. Man kommt überein, etwa 7000 - 10 000 Vertriebene aus dem Raum Gablonz in den Landkreisen Kaufbeuren, Marktoberdorf und Füssen unterzubringen Huschka sieht auf dem bei Kaufbeuren gelegenen Werkgelände der Dynamit-AG sehr gute Voraussetzungen für eine Ansiedlung der Gablonzer Industrie
      pseudo-expert

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        #183
        Working on Dons idea to find out more over the official company register I found this site:

        http://www.handelsregister.de/

        Bayern is the county in which Neu Gablonz is situated, right next to Kaufbeuren.
        Unfortunatly you have to register and pay for any infomation. At least it looks that way to me.


        Basically Gablonz fell back to Czechoslavakia after 1945. Lots of the ethnic germans left Gablonz and settled in Bavaria near Kaufbeuren. This town is called New Gablonz. They continued with the Gablonz traditional handwork of glass, plastic and metal.

        Skip
        Last edited by skip; 07-19-2005, 08:11 AM.
        LOOKING FOR ALL ITEMS CONNECTED TO HERBERT SCHOB.

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          #184
          Guys,

          just finished talking with Hr. Gottsteins son. They looked very carefully at this logo and even did some research around other firms in their area. Nobody has seen, or knows who this logo belongs to.

          The son also confirmed that Scholze has only ever used the "A.S." logo on their products.

          So back to the drawing board on the AS in triangle.

          Skip
          LOOKING FOR ALL ITEMS CONNECTED TO HERBERT SCHOB.

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            #185


            How much closer can you get. I was sure old Hr Gottstein was the guy that would solve the riddle.

            KR
            Philippe

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              #186
              I think the key will be understanding what the triangle represents.
              We have at least two makers that used it. What did it mean to them? Is this use of the triangle specifically German in any way? Or specific to an industry, trademark, etc....
              Don
              Last edited by Don Doering; 07-19-2005, 09:08 AM.
              pseudo-expert

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                #187
                Guys

                Could the AS in tringle be the A.D. Schwerdt, Stuttgart? Mybe Robert's idea was right. Can Skip ask them?

                regards

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                  #188
                  Indy, that has been the general assumption for years. We are trying to see if it could be a Gablonz based company based upon the rear hardware attaching method. It does make sense to ask them though, just to nail it down or exclude them for sure.

                  Don
                  pseudo-expert

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                    #189
                    Originally posted by ddoering
                    Indy, that has been the general assumption for years. We are trying to see if it could be a Gabloz based company based upon the rear hardware attaching method. It does make sense to ask them though, just to nail it down or exclude them for sure.

                    Don
                    Well not for very many years only since the Tucker book hit the market but nobody ever told us what evidence that conclusion was based on.

                    Like you wrote yourself Don, based upon what we already know IMO chances are extremely limited that AS in triangle wasn't a Gablonz bases company.

                    KR
                    Philippe

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                      #190
                      Originally posted by robert60446
                      Of course their company logo looks different now, but as we can see in 1946 company was basically starting from ZERO and in 1965 company got the new owner. It is more then enough reasons to change their logo.
                      Hi Robert

                      Their company logo didn't change, they already were using it on their .A.S and A.S. PAB's

                      Like Skip was told by Hr Gottstein "Their logo is, and always has been A.S."



                      KR
                      Philippe

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                        #191
                        I know Philippe. My thoughts also. What are the chances that A.D.Schwerdt bought this machinery for these crimps when the majority of users were at Gablonz. How can you justify the expense?? Look at the prices of badges back then. How many would you have to sell to break even? I wouldn't be surprised if the companies in Gablonz didn't share time on these machines.
                        Don
                        pseudo-expert

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                          #192
                          Didn't German companies have to register thier logos/trademarks, etc... somewhere? Or is that a new thing since the war?
                          pseudo-expert

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                            #193
                            Originally posted by ddoering
                            I know Philippe. My thoughts also. What are the chances that A.D.Schwerdt bought this machinery for these crimps when the majority of users were at Gablonz. Don
                            And picked up some barrels of that nice bronze paint, to haul it all the way back to Stuttgart ,too

                            KR
                            Philippe

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                              #194
                              I think that since Hr. Gottsteins son doesn't recognize the logo in his area. So, this logo may not come from Gablonz. BTW. does Hr. Gottsteins son know about KM in tringle?

                              regards

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                                #195
                                Originally posted by Indy
                                I think that since Hr. Gottsteins son doesn't recognize the logo in his area. So, this logo may not come from Gablonz. BTW. does Hr. Gottsteins son know about KM in tringle?

                                regards
                                Indy, Like Skip told us Hr Gottstein worked 40 years for the company so that means that he joint Scholze in 1965 and by then they already relocated 15 years erlier from Sudetenland to Bavaria.

                                A.S. re-started activities in New Gablonz but that doesn't mean that all other companies did the same. Like Robert mentioned in one of his posts AS in triangle may not have survived the war or is now a Czech company.

                                KR
                                Philippe

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