The A.D Schwerdt company was located in Stuttgart. Adolf Scholze in Gruenwald and Rudolf Karnath in Gablonz. Their products show some connection by either materials used (finish), hardware, or design. Looking at the finishes of these badges I see simularities. The AS (in triangle) front and the RF GAB front have the same shiney plating type coating. The reverses all have the same matt finish that you usually find. The reverse finish is more durable than the front side finish. I don't have a silver A.S. to compare but would like to see one posted. Given that these manufacturers were geographically located it is reasonable to expect some level of collaberation, either in design, construction, or materials used. I'm sure they bought thier machinery, raw materials etc... from the same suppliers.
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I tried to find Gablonz an der Neckar and Gruenwald an der Neckar on Mapquest. It doesn't recognize the names so I followed the Neckar River for 60 miles in either direction with no luck. Were they suburbs of Stuttgart that have since been absorbed or am I lost?
I also think that if you look at the reverse of the A.S. PAB you will see the reverse has more in common with the RK than with the AS (triangle). I know this reopens the Scholze/Schwerdt debate but I think it is logical to assume that each company made thier own PABs using thier own equipment. Hence the different crimping methods and catches in the AS series of PABs.
AS (triangle) uses the same crimp on its IABs, snellboot, destroyer badges etc... so why would they buy another machine/tools to do it differently?Attached Filespseudo-expert
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Don,
Another theory to consider is that parts for catch and hinge hardware was bought from the same supplier. In other words some company X was producing these parts in their region and company X was supplying AS, AD and RK. It is the theory only, but why not? Then the final “setup” assembly was done by each of the companies on their own.
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Robert, that is part of my theory. Regional suppliers of materials, machinery, tools, and perhaps even dies. What doesn't make sense is for a manufacturer to buy different machinery/tools for crimping componants together unless thier original ones broke and couldn't be replaced or thier original manufacturer of hinges and catches quit supplying them with that type made for thier current tooling. Bottomline is I think we have two different manufacturers in the AS series of PABs. The question is how to tell them apart? I think by looking at the manufacturing process we can hopefully do this.pseudo-expert
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Originally posted by ddoeringBottomline is I think we have two different manufacturers in the AS series of PABs. The question is how to tell them apart? I think by looking at the manufacturing process we can hopefully do this.
We know that we have 4 different grass patterns between AS badges. And if I’m remembering this correctly, Philippe said before, that it is kind of strange to have so many variations for one manufacturer only. Unfortunately I’m at work now, so I cannot post my AS PAB’s but when I will get back to home, I will make really detailed shots of these badges (with hinge and catch setup).
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Don,
to make it more interesting let me quote Philippe here:
"AS features the exact same grass pattern as the hollow .A.S.
After just posting both of them I took a closer look and the differences I think I saw are just the result of the different base material used in the production of these badges.
So not 5 but only 4 grass patterns and the hollow .A.S and A.S. and the scooped A.S. for sure were made by one and the same maker using two different obverse dies.
KR
Philippe"
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Dear Don,
a.d.N. does not mean "an dem Neckar", it means "an der Neiße". Different river, different area.
Originally posted by robert60446Don,
to make it more interesting let me quote Philippe here:
"AS features the exact same grass pattern as the hollow .A.S.
After just posting both of them I took a closer look and the differences I think I saw are just the result of the different base material used in the production of these badges.
So not 5 but only 4 grass patterns and the hollow .A.S and A.S. and the scooped A.S. for sure were made by one and the same maker using two different obverse dies.
KR
Philippe"Cheers, Frank
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Originally posted by Frank HeukemesDear Don,
a.d.N. does not mean "an dem Neckar", it means "an der Neiße". Different river, different area.
Picture#1 PAB#1 obverseLast edited by robert60446; 04-07-2007, 06:31 AM.
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