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    Bandenkampfabzeichen . With doubts..🤔

    bandenkampfabzeichen original?

    Hi. I send you this antipartisan badge, I don't know what category it is, so you can help me in case it is fake.
    I bought it in Germany by hand.

    Greetings and forgive the quality of the photos.


    Ultimate picture: Here in the hinge the magnet sticks. But in the rest of the needle, no

    Is original??

    Thanks in advance.

    Manu
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    #2
    No not original.

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      #3
      Originally posted by kaiserwilhelm2 View Post
      No not original.
      Hi.

      Why?

      Here everyone says with all the lightness of the world "it is not original". but you never explain why it isn't.
      Last edited by manu1972; 01-30-2020, 05:47 AM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by manu1972 View Post
        Hi.

        Why?

        Here everyone says with all the lightness of the world "it is not original". but you never explain why it isn't.
        Compare a real period issued badge (enough pics to be found on this Forum) to yours - lots and lots of differences.
        Last edited by kaiserwilhelm2; 01-30-2020, 06:42 AM.

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          #5
          Hi Manu
          This BKA bears the features of the S & L badges, but it is debatable badge. It is difficult to assess whether a particular badge was produced before or after 1945.
          Jacek

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            #6
            Hi Jacek.
            Well, maybe Scapini has the last word. Let's see, I'll wait in case it appears and gives me its opinion.

            I know they are hard to judge ...

            Thanks for your feedback and at least give "the benefit of the doubt"

            Cheers

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              #7
              No one can be 100% sure about the S&L production. We know that most of these BKAs are postwar.
              S&L used wartime leftovers to make these badges, in your for example there's a well know type of wartime catch, you can also find in Juncker BKA production.
              But that doesn't make your badge a wartime one.
              As Jacek said all the S&L badges are questionable, and being questionable, they have to be considered postwar if they don't have a rock solid provenance.

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                #8
                Thanks Antonio for stopping by and commenting. All clear.

                Cheers.

                Manu.

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                  #9
                  Well known as questionable APB. In this hobby questionable is not a good thing. If you did not pay a lot I would keep it. If you paid a couple of thousand I would try and return it.

                  John

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                    #10
                    I like it. Of course with S&L, possible it was made after the war, but with the wartime hardware I think it stands a decent chance of being a wartime example.
                    Looking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jeff V View Post
                      I like it. Of course with S&L, possible it was made after the war, but with the wartime hardware I think it stands a decent chance of being a wartime example.
                      Which types of badges were still produced in 1944/45 as solid badges that started out as hollow ones? I am sceptical of these solid badges being war time.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Antonio Scapini View Post
                        No one can be 100% sure about the S&L production. We know that most of these BKAs are postwar.
                        S&L used wartime leftovers to make these badges, in your for example there's a well know type of wartime catch, you can also find in Juncker BKA production.
                        But that doesn't make your badge a wartime one.
                        As Jacek said all the S&L badges are questionable, and being questionable, they have to be considered postwar if they don't have a rock solid provenance.
                        In over 45 years I only have seen one an Original (I think it was). All others I have seen on shows and in collections were fakes.
                        And what is provenance. The family has no idea and just tell what they see: "yes, it was from dad". But dad bought it a a show at Killesberg, Stuttgart in the seventies or eighties.
                        With interviews with former SS members I have learned, that quite some should have received one, but they never actually got it, due to the war situation.

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                          The problem with these BKA is that we can't call them fake. There is no doubt who is the producerSince they were produced by S & L, but we don't know when. Also produced these badgesalso after the war on the original die. However whoever wants to believe that he has a wartime original is has that right.
                          Jacek

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by e-maus View Post
                            The problem with these BKA is that we can't call them fake. There is no doubt who is the producerSince they were produced by S & L, but we don't know when. Also produced these badgesalso after the war on the original die. However whoever wants to believe that he has a wartime original is has that right.
                            Jacek
                            I am not sure about. I think logic makes it more likely that these solid badges are post-war than that these are war time. It was not for nothing that hollowed badges were produced in the last 12 or so months of the war. I agree that fake is a controversial term and not-period made is a better term in the context of these badges.

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                              #15
                              I have seen this type of badge many times over my 60 years of collecting and there are always to many if ands and buts about these pieces that is why I never owned one jmo.

                              Dennis J

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