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**robert60446** · 04-19-2005, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by John Pic

And outside. I have seen also a Stickpin and a pendant miniatures of this and would love to find them to go with it. I thought about it the Telephone

number is Sammel-Nr 35 52 51

Try here for the stickpin.
Regards
Robert

**don** · 04-19-2005, 06:59 PM

I think there are two types of pins for this one. Here is the split type.
Most I think are marked 11 or 9.My split pin type is marked 3.I think
still one of the best buys out there
don

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**don** · 04-19-2005, 07:00 PM

The back

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**robert60446** · 04-19-2005, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by don

The back

You are correct! Hmmm…interesting…I think we need some help from our “imperial forum” friends…but this post is getting more and more interesting!

**don** · 04-19-2005, 08:33 PM

Also two types of stickpins I think. One with head like mine and one with full
Figure

don

**robert60446** · 04-19-2005, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by don

Also two types of stickpins I think. One with head like mine and one with full
Figure

don

Here is the second version picture. Or is it first?

Regards
Robert

**John Pic** · 04-20-2005, 03:00 AM

I wonder if we can sheck the metal in one of the seimegraphic wirblewhopper electromicroscopes used by the experts to do indepth studies of IABs and GABs and PABs we might find a die flaw.

You know what it may be boring to some but these are alot nicer than some of the Reichs tedious badges run through the forum on a daily basis for op-ed.Its technically not an Imperial award so where does it fit in?

**Peter J.** · 04-20-2005, 04:22 AM

Hi Robert.

Thanks for trying to enlighten me, but I must be a lost case and will probably sound like parrott repeating the same questions

. So here we go again:
I suppose the description with quote originates from some publication but it still doesn't connect the badge to a Hamburg Vet. org. It only shows the location of the place of manufacture of the badge i.e. a IC marked Meybauer doesn't make it a cross instituted in or by the city of Berlin. As shown by Don, this badge came with different markings and most definately with different pins. The folded version of pin is often encountered.
As for the referrence to the Weimar, it's a matter of semantic. Although worn during that period, this badge is related to the group known as Freikorps, Voluntary Units and War Veteran Associations. This brings me back to my initial question: To which organisation is this badge related

KR
Peter

**Robin Lumsden** · 04-20-2005, 04:53 AM

It was created by the German 1914-18 War Veterans' Association based in Leipzig. They also instituted the Somme Cross, the Verdun Cross, etc. etc. It has nothing to do with Hamburg, other than the fact that it was made there. This was a national 'award' of the vets' group, for all who served at the front and were members of the Association.

**skip** · 04-20-2005, 05:10 AM

And they had to purchase it themselves. All they got from the veterans assoc. was a certificate which allowed them to buy it.

I recently translated the award criteria docs for somebody recently.

Like Robin says, it is only manufactured in Hamburg otherwise it has nothing to do with the city.

Skip

**Peter J.** · 04-20-2005, 05:34 AM

Thanks Robin, this is the info I'm looking for

. You too Skip

KR
Peter

Originally posted by Robin Lumsden

It was created by the German 1914-18 War Veterans' Association based in Leipzig. They also instituted the Somme Cross, the Verdun Cross, etc. etc. It has nothing to do with Hamburg, other than the fact that it was made there. This was a national 'award' of the vets' group, for all who served at the front and were members of the Association.

**robert60446** · 04-20-2005, 06:57 AM

The interesting thing is that this award was labeled by collectors as “Hamburg Cross”. Anyway, every day you can learn something new from this forum!

**Robin Lumsden** · 04-20-2005, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by robert60446

The interesting thing is that this award was labeled by collectors as “Hamburg Cross”. Anyway, every day you can learn something new from this forum!

Just like the Gallipoli Star...........that had (next to) nothing to do with Gallipoli!

**McCulloh** · 04-20-2005, 08:58 AM

Interestingly,I have looked for several years for photos of this being worn and so far have only found a total of five. Of the five, three were of SS "May flowers" who later were war criminals.
I suspect this exploded in popularity @1932-35 (with the growth of the SA)until it was banned in November of 1935 (although many proscribed medals continued to be worn for a few years by SA/NSKK/ veterans etc. given the award certificates all seem to come from those years.
The award docs were all numbered and I've seen them in the 98,000-100,000 range for late 1933.
It was not a Freikorps award. It denotes WW1 service.
For a related link see below:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.net/foru...ldehrenzeichen

Cheers,
Jemc

**Peter J.** · 04-20-2005, 09:49 AM

Absolutely correct Jeff. While trying to distinguish the difference to a Weimar award, I used Detlev's categorys from his book. My misstake, I should have seen this one coming

KR
Peter

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