Duch SS medal

[Marc verstraete]

Hello dear collector friends,
Here I am again with my questions,

The medal I show here is 100% original and this is probably also one of the few real ones.
It belongs to the few items I recovered from my fader after his dead and that he had hidden since the war.
The bulk of those medals where destroyed by the angry Dutch peoples in 1945 on the 1813 square in Holland by throwing them in a hole in the ground and smashing and burning them. (With lots of other now valuable stuff of course)
I do not think there are traces from any of them been awarded. I have seen many of those in militaria shows and always cased, I personally do not believe in them because of the above story that was told to me by eyewitness.
Dos anybody have more info on those?

Marc v. (German buckles collector)

[Marc verstraete]

other side

[Marc verstraete]

complete

[Gunner II]

Hi Marc,
I've seen this medal before. This medal was awarded by Anton Mussert, the political leader of the fascist party to loyal Dutch fascists(political and military.) Hitler didn't aggree with this medal and forbid Mussert to present them anymore. That's why there is such little documentation about this one. It was a medal that was never ment to be.

Very rare but there are better examples known than this one.

Cheers:Peter

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hi Marc, Peter is correct in his referance to this medals short lived history and well ment intentions. However, I highly doubt that thier are MANY original examples better than the one you show. This is a pretty hard find, as far as originals go. This ones a keeper.
Thanks
Joseph

[Yuri D.]

How about the one for sale on the e-stand?

Yuri

[Joseph D'Errico]

OUCH

Thanks Yuri. That just goes to show you, I have to pay more attention.And the one on the E-stand is in much better shape.
Thanks
Joe

[Marc verstraete]

Sorry to be negative here but both medals are not the same ;
When taking a very close look to those both medals, there are details that do not match.
One of them been the detail of the eye where the ring go trough, on mine this piece is very “square”, I mean with straight angles. The other one is rounded.
The little dots on that same pice on mine are between two vertical lines. The other do not have those lines.
The colour of all the brass details ( swords, swastika ) is also different .
I have seen those cased medals in shows in Belgium and Germany, the last one was on sale for about $200 in Antwerp and did not sell.
Sorry but I do not believe that this medal would have been made by two different manufactures! Witch have to be the case when seeing al the differences between them.
My opinion of course! And open to all discussion. The medal I have is not for sale and will never be.
Marc v.

[Joseph D'Errico]

Mussert -Kreuz

Hi Marc, can we get a picture of yours? It sounds like what your saying is this one isn't original? I wouldn't put much province in the ring device,altough I agree with the square variation you mention being the accepted form. I also wouldn't get overly concerned with the color of the brass. Brass is a composite that is suseptable to change. Thier is no proof of this medal being limited to just one manufacturer as well . After studying the medal and checking my referance books, those are my thoughts.

Thanks
Joseph

[Marc verstraete]

Picture of mine are starting this tread!!
I do not think more than one factory made this medal, First, not many where made because I know now that those medals where indented to be given to the soldiers coming back from fighting on the Russian front. And their where not too much of those. Secondly, if Hitler refused the medal, there was no need to make more. But who knows.
Marc v

[Joseph D'Errico]

Mussert -Kreuz

Hi Marc, I know that the medal starting the thread is yours!! I thouht that you were implying that you had another, but I guess you were refering to the other Mussert -Kreuz on the E-stand. Well, your points are well taken. I wish thier was more province available to support our thoughts. I have always liked this piece, but have shyed away from purchasing one as a result of lack of information. If you find out something more I would be interested in hearing from you.
Thanks
Joe

[Eric JB]

Hi, I once had an interesting group of a dutch ss man, who was with the Legion Niederlande, his medals that were included IAB, EKI, WB S, and the Mussert Cross in box. There was also material from his father who was killed by the resistance in 1944, he was a high ranking NSB member and Landwacht Officer in Bergen op Zoom, and NSB material from his mother. The group came directly from the family. I sold it to another collector and he sold it again to someone who is among us on the forum, do not remember his name at the moment but maybe he is able to show us some scans.
The Mussert Kruis was really awarded to this ss man during the war.
His father's plate for strijdoffer NSB, is one of a kind, only a few were handed out to the famly by the NSB for NSB members who died for the dutch fatherland (note the ss etc had a different plate as the fall in combat at the front) the strijdoffer NSB plate was made for NSB members that were killed in the Netherlands, most of them who got such a plate were murdered - executed by the resistance, only a few of such plates were awarded as the type of plates for the dutch ss are more known needles to say that this was a very interesting group with a rare awarded
Mussert kruis and the more rare plate .

Sorry to say that I have no photos, but maybe the new owner is able to show us the Cross and the plate.

yours friendly Eric-Jan Bakker

[Marc verstraete]

Joe, Eric,

Yes, I was referring to the one from the e-stand comparing to mine.

The medal I show pictures of came from my fader. He was member of the Flemish RAD in 1942 and entered the SS a little later. He passed away 7 years ago and the subject was taboo.
I have very few information about his whereabouts during those very dramatic times. I don’t even know in what Division he was. I know he went to the Germania training centre but not much more. He must have been in the Wiking. Love letters to his wife from 1943 are sent to “Westland”??
I discovered this Mussert medal together with an anti partisan badge, his cap, some pictures, the letters and other items from less importance when he was already very hill and I know not more about it. I doubt that the Mussert medal was given to him but maybe he kept it as souvenir from some one else??

To come back to the subject of the medal on the e-stand, there are some serious collectors of this stuff in Belgium (and Holland) who have tremendous knowledge in those items as far as knowing the difference between the good and the fake. One of them is member of this group and had the medal been original, it would have sold right away ($400 is a give away for an original don’t you think?). This person has seen mine at my home and was willing to give a 4-digit number for it even in the condition it is in. This confirms opinion. But this is of course my own feeling.

Marc V.

[Macmedal]

Marc

Interesting points raised. There is definitely a variation between your cross and the other. I really like this award but have yet to purchase one.

I have seen other crosses like yours with the same style eyelette as yours with the parallel lines and smaller raised dots. Is your ring more square than round ? Versions I have seen have a very rounded square type ring.Your lettering also seems slightly thicker but it is hard to tell due to the missing enamel.

As for $400 dollars I would personally comment that is what I would expect to pay for such an award.

Your points certainly raises more questions than can be answered.

Were there multiple manufacturers of this award ?

The award on estand looks in my humble opinion to be original.

[Steve T]

Hi all

There are very good pictures of the medal on the e-stand but if anyone wants another view let me know.

I can't trace the history as didn't get the piece from a Dutch WSS Veteran, the medal was purchased from a dealer by the name of Jamie Cross, I think in late 1998 about the time I moved to the UK. (Easy to remember as it's the only purchase from there, in fact the only purchase from a retailer here since the move.)

I have always believed it was good but some facts about it would be certainly welcome. It's not a real big interest of mine but I have always thought it an attractive and relatively inexpensive piece, not a four digit ticket item. I was really surprised to see anyone would pay a 4 digit price for one of these, even say from the hand of the recipient! Isn't the market $250 to $500 depending on loose, boxed with or with ribbon bar ecetera?

The book 'For Fuehrer and Fatherland' Angolia shows two examples a loose version which looks like it has the suspension ring style as above and on the following page (404) a boxed example just like my e-stand piece, with maroon box and ribbon bar. Suspension ring detail not visible. I can't find any other pictures of these.

Regards,