Wide Width Ribbon Bar

[speedytop]

Hi,

once again my serious question: where I can find the regulation, that it was not allowed, to wear all three medals/ribbons together?

Please, primary sources.

Uwe

[EK-collector]

I´m talking about for example, medal bar with all trhee flower wars medal on same bar. It was not allowed.

Like EK-Collector was saying that "With german precision almost not possible"

It was possible

I did not say it was not possible to wear all 3 commemorative medals at once, but it does not make a sense to wear them bad order. Like picture of Himmler. First austrian, then sudetland and then memelland medal.

[Gary B]

I did not say it was not possible to wear all 3 commemorative medals at once, but it does not make a sense to wear them bad order. Like picture of Himmler. First austrian, then sudetland and then memelland medal.

Hi,

As I mentioned in my thread the Germans did make mistakes in order of precedence. This was done sometimes due to ignorance of the regulations or misunderstanding.

Gary B

[McCulloh]

Tim is right.
I suspect it is real and just mistaken. there is a thread over at GMIC where we have posted dozens of mistakes showing in contemporary photos. There used to be one here too, but I can not find it.
There is a logic to this bar and that is why i think it is real- AND an SS NCO's/officer's one too.

[McCulloh]

I did not say it was not possible to wear all 3 commemorative medals at once, but it does not make a sense to wear them bad order. Like picture of Himmler.: first Austrian, then Sudetland and then memel medal.

SS regulations allowed for all 3 flowers war medals to be worn at once -Wehrmacht ones did not.

[EK-collector]

SS regulations allowed for all 3 flowers war medals to be worn at once -Wehrmacht ones did not.

but only in right order ? How war continued

[J C Gray]

Somebody forgot to tell Himmler about that.
Allowed or not, it sure looks good.

Somebody also seems to have forgotten to tell him that "Persons who have received the October 1. 1938 Commemorative Medal or the Return of Memel Commemorative Medal shall not receive the German Westwall Honour Medal". Henrich Doehle: Orden und Ehrenzeichen im Dritten Reich.

The official statutes & regulations governing the bestowal and wearing all of the 'Flower Wars' medals appear in both the Reichsgesetzblatt and the Uniformen=Markt along with any updates and/or changes. The criteria for these awards also appears in the Dohle books from 1939/40/41/43 and there is no mention of the proscribing of the wearing of all three (four, counting the Pragerburg spange) awards. If there was indeed such a decree (as has been sugested many times on the forum) and if indeed it was a solely Wehrmacht regulation, then surely it should be noted in one of the editions of 'Das Heeres-Verordnungsblatt'; even if it was just a verbal order. Unfortunately I do not have access to the aforementioned Verordnungsblatt but I would be very interested in seeing any such order.

[luftkrieg]

Somebody also seems to have forgotten to tell him that "Persons who have received the October 1. 1938 Commemorative Medal or the Return of Memel Commemorative Medal shall not receive the German Westwall Honour Medal".

I have always found this an interesting directive...and love seeing medal bars that are contrary to this regulation. For example here is one that I own. I too questioned these regulations in my time.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=320641


Kind regards
Pierce

[J C Gray]

I have always found this an interesting directive...and love seeing medal bars that are contrary to this regulation. For example here is one that I own. I too questioned these regulations in my time.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=320641


Kind regards
Pierce

I have seen the Westwall mounted with the Sudetenmedaille many times myself.
Interestingly, this regulation does not appear in the original statute for the Westwall...

[J C Gray]

...yet it is mentioned in the 1939-43 Doehle books...I haven't actually seen the unpublished 1945 editon with the '44 spange to the Westwall medal, to see if there is any mention of a change in regulations.

[speedytop]

Hi McCulloh

SS regulations allowed for all 3 flowers war medals to be worn at once -Wehrmacht ones did not.

Can you please show me the regulations for both assertions?

Uwe

[McCulloh]

Actually I can show you the Wehrmacht ones (or could if I could post pics here) BUT have alook at Rick Lundstroms' ribbon bar article in the members' section.

[speedytop]

Hi McCulloh,

I can show you the Wehrmacht ones

Please show me the Wehrmachts one. Or give me the primary source.

Rick Lundstroms' ribbon bar article

Can you please give me the link?

Uwe

[Noor]

I should not change anything and leave the bar as it is

[McCulloh]

well, I have looked but can not access the members area here and that is where Rick originally posted the Wehrmacht regs with addenda.
This is an old discussion.
Look in the archives here and you'll see this topic going back almost to 2001- sad it is too with many late and great collectors "talking" about the flower wars medals.
Over at GMIC Rick posted the amended version in the collectors area.