Ribbon Bar

[C.C.Reilly]

I have a Imperial/3rd Reich ribbon bar.

On the Imperial side, the EK has the 1939 Spangle, but there are crossed swords under the spangle. I am also trying to identify 3 ribbons.

1. White border, thin red, large white, medium red, medium white,medium red, large white, thin red, white border. Crossed swords in the middle.

2. Thin white border, thin green, thin white, large red, thin white, thin green, thin white border, with crossed swords.

3. Thin light blue border, medium pink, large light blue, medium pink, and thin light blue border.

Any help is appreciated, and thanks.

[Graeme L]

Some photo's would be helpfull, I can post them for you if you can't.

My e_mail is wee.g@ic24.net

However I do recognise some of these medals from the Ribbon Chart. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/rese...art_solved.htm

No. 1 ; Oesterreichische 1. Republik-Weltkriegs- Erinnerungsmedaille 1914-18

[Graeme L]

No. 2 may possibly be a Bulgarische Weltkriegs-Erinnerungsmedaille 1915-18

[Graeme L]

No. 3 ; Allgeimes Ehrenzeichen (Hessen-Darmstadt)

again I am only guessing. If you want me to post the pictures for you it would help to identify.

Cheers.

[C.C.Reilly]

Right on target!

Thanks Wee.G

Dead hits on all. The last, light blue & pink is likely the one. Perhaps the colors have faded a bit on the ribbon bar. Are you aware of why there would be crossed swords beneath the 1939 spangle? I do not see this very often.

Thanks again.

[Daniel Krause]

1st: Austria War memorial medal
2nd Bulgaria war memorial medal
3rd: Hessen General honor decoration on war ribbon

The EK with spange AND swords does not make a sense, because the EK had NEVER attached swords.
It would be perfect if You would post a picture.

Best greetings

Daniel

[Graeme L]

Picture

I have posted this picture of Chirs's behaf:

Erm, it was here a moment ago. I'll do it again.

Greame

[Graeme L]

Picture

I have posted this picture of Chirs's ribbon on his behalf:

Greame

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Greame,

Last one is not Hessen, it looks more like Oldenburg Friedrich- August- Kreuz, but it should be on 3rd position. I dont loke the 1st one. It makes not sense and the spange doesnt look o.k.

I assume, this is a bar with single ribbons crimped on a steel backing. Thats why it is easy to manipulate it. The spange and the Air Force long service eagles needs further examination. All other parts look original.

Best greetings

Daniel

[Graeme L]

Hi Chris,

I am with Daniel on this one, I know of no other example of a EK with swords. I may be wrong but it seems odd.

If you could mail me a scan of the back Daniel's query regarding the incorect mounting may be answered.

Have you asked the Mr Petersen about the ribbons? He might be able to help with the EK with swords.

I have attached a blow-up of the eagles for opinions.

Cheers

Graeme

[Graeme L]

A blow-up of the EK ribbon.

Having never seen a 1939 spange and swords, is it possible that the spange mouniting has been tamped with and the swords for one of the other ribbons attached here purely by mistake?

A photo of the ribbon;

[C.C.Reilly]

I really appreciate all the help with this "unusual' ribbon bar.
Strange as it sounds, Mr. Petersen had at least one other ribbon bar with the same arrangement of the spange over crossed swords on the EK ribbon. When I asked, he remarked that it was connected to a combatant role.

Also, is it correct that on January 30, 1936 a regulation was circulated prohibiting further wear of unofficial awards rendered for service during WW1? This targeting awards from various German States that had instituted awards, without the formal recognition of the German government? Is it possible that the last ribbon taken to be Hessen, or Oldenburg Friederich August - Kruez, could be a foreign award? My impression of the Oldenburg ribbon is that it is darker blue with red stripes. If it is Oldenburg, then perhaps it has faded with time.

One closing note is that the War Merit Cross w/ swords seems newer or less worn than the other ribbons. This could be because it was added to the bar later than the others, or perhaps the whole bar is some kind of a parts/fantasy arrangement?

Thanks Chris

[Rick Research]

The last ribbon is definitely the Hessian General Decoration aka Bravery Medal, and should be in third place between the KVK2X and Hindenburg Cross X. This has got to be a tab back bar that has been mucked around with. Usually when that happens, the monkeys leave scratches all over the nickled back plate from prying the ribbon tabs on and off. BTW, that usually only works ONCE: off, then back on. Trying a second time will almost always snap them off.

The EKSpange over crossed swords is a truly bizarre fantasy item, and I'd be interested in knowing whether it is one piece or two, and somehow stuck together, God knows why.

I cannot tell if it is just "off" color from the scan, or if that is COPPER colored metal I am seeing coming through the Luftwaffe eagles and the mutant Spange. The "better sort" of fake devices are made of very hard "die struck" looking copper colored metal. If these devices have been painted, urkkkkk!

I don't know who you bought this from, but anybody who says that first device is not a fantasy item has ZERO clue what they are talking about! Rick

[C.C.Reilly]

Ribbon bar

Thanks for the info Rick. Actually, I did not buy this, but swapped around for it. The bar itself has the nickel colored pry on ribbon attachments, but I do not see scratches. I have seen the repro copper ones you mentioned. Interesting about the Luftwaffe eagles. Did not realize they might be suspect.

[Graeme L]

Here is a photo of the back of Chis's ribbon

Graeme