Prague Castle Bar. Original or fake?

[Gernika81]

Hi there. I'd like to know your opinion on this Prague Castle Bar. It's an original one or a fake?

Thanks in advance.

[Gernika81]

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[Karsten S]

Exactly where the white spot, on the lower left side, is where there should be an H C initial if it´s IMO original. Do you have the bar?
It also seems like it has low details.
Best Regards

Karsten

[Robert P.]

Can you please give us a macro shot of the 'HC', Karsten? I'd really like to see what this looks like.

Robert

[Karsten S]

Can you please give us a macro shot of the 'HC', Karsten? I'd really like to see what this looks like.

Robert

Hi Robert

Here you go.
H.C. is the initials for Hanisch-Concée

"Eduard Hanisch-Concée (Bildhauer und Leiter der Klasse für Medaillenkunst an
der staatlichen Hochschule für Bildende Künste in Berlin)
Vermutlich wurden alle verliehenen Spangen mit „HC“ gekennzeichnet."

Karsten

[TerryG]

I don't think that the lack/presence of the initials automatically indicates a fake/real spange.

[Karsten S]

I don't think that the lack/presence of the initials automatically indicates a fake/real spange.

You might be right, but what makes you think that?

As I see it, a signature is there because he wan´t to say this is my unique work.
I would not wan´t a spange without the initials.

I would be interesting to see one without initials and clear/sharp details. Anyone??
Best Regards

Karsten

[Gernika81]

Thanks for your help. The spange is on its way to my house, so as soon as I receive it I'll post some close-ups. Anyway, the lack of the initials HC is a sign of being a fake or not? I agree on the fact that the bar I've purchased isn't as detailed as that one from Karsten, but after having paid 30 EUR for it, I'd like to make sure that it's original so as to have a refund of my money if it turns to be a fake...

[Robert P.]

Hi Robert

Here you go.
H.C. is the initials for Hanisch-Concée

"Eduard Hanisch-Concée (Bildhauer und Leiter der Klasse für Medaillenkunst an
der staatlichen Hochschule für Bildende Künste in Berlin)
Vermutlich wurden alle verliehenen Spangen mit „HC“ gekennzeichnet."

Karsten

Karsten,

Thank you very much. I see there are mixed opinions regarding the originality of those pieces without the initials. This subject is new to me, so I'll be paying close attention to the outcome. Once again, thank you for the close up photo.

Robert

[Al P]

From what I can see it looks like the initials are present, but very hard to see in the picture.

I agree with Terry that the presence of initials is not the ultimate determinator of originality as these did exist without the initials, but the ones with initials so far have been proven to all be period pieces.

Al

[TerryG]

You might be right, but what makes you think that?

As I see it, a signature is there because he wan´t to say this is my unique work.
I would not wan´t a spange without the initials.

I would be interesting to see one without initials and clear/sharp details. Anyone??
Best Regards

Karsten

If these initials refer to the designer of the item, then others may have been able to manufacturer the same. The same goes about many other badges and medals without a maker's mark...perfectly genuine yet nobody thought of putting their brand on them. I think collectors tend to go for this type of triangular prongs at the back as a good sign rather than the long thin ones.

[Robert P.]

This is a bar that's on a court mount I own. What do others think of it, please? I don't see any initials on it. It has thin bronze prongs that protrude through the backing plate, and fold over under the backing cloth to secure the bar in place.

Robert

[Robert P.]

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[Robert P.]

the obverse...

[kenneth wolfe]

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HI,


I defiantly do not agree with Karsten ! There are many original time period Prague bars that do not have the HC in the bushes nor in the grassy knoll!


Kenneth