I got together with a local Seattle boy and we compared badges. His appears to be the early Junckers badge and mine the later version. We compared wreath leaf by leav, eagle body parts, part by part and we found even the smallest of flaws to be the same. Size also the same within a half a mm. 'His' badge rivets have been played with he tells me so don't condemn based on rivets.
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Hi Brians,
From the reverse images, the badge on the left looks like a repro to me. Wrong maker's mark, wrong rivets, wrong hinge/pin/catch. Looks like a zinc eagle on a "buntmetal" wreath (not impossible I suppose) but the hinge/catch construction would normally be found on a zinc wreath. Also, the reverse profile of the wreath is wrong and the absence of typical Juncker finishing is another giveaway. The one on the right looks OK/genuine from the images.
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Mike KLast edited by Mike Kenny; 02-07-2003, 04:51 PM.Regards
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Well then the Juncker glider badge dies survived the war... We measured with a micrometer all different ways, looked at the edges to see the same pattern of die marks, it all matches. Pin and catch don't spell repro.Comment
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Well then I would look at the reverses of the two badges side by side, specifically at the 11 o'clock portion of the wreath to the left of the hinge. This is the most obvious abnormality in the wreath design that sticks right out. As Mike stated, look at the whole outline of the reverses, bump by bump - definately not from the same die, and the Juncker maker mark is DEFINATELY not right. The badge on the right is a real one, the one on the left is not. If still in doubt, post this in the Qualification Badges Forum - But I'm sure you won't find the results there favorable either.
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I can't explain why the back isn't finished in the same fashion. That's the easy way to see differences. Look at the surface fronts and I see exact mirror badges. Also, look at the hinge construction. Same piece of tube type construction sawed out with pin soldered onto horizontal pin inserted into tube.
We'll get photos of the sides this next week Tuesday to compare.Last edited by Brian S; 02-07-2003, 09:26 PM.Comment
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I am of the exact same opinion as Mike and Eric - left badge fake, right badge good.
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Frank maybe jump to conclusion before all is shown.
Tim's is finished more nicely.
This is a Zinc eagle I think and Tim's is an early model of silver metal.Last edited by Brian S; 02-07-2003, 10:34 PM.Comment
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Sorry, Brian, some badges have a chance to be real, but there is absolutely NO chance the badge on the left is good.
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OK Frank. Could you please post a picture of a proper late model zink or whatever Juncker glider to compare for us? Aren't they supposed to be sleeping in Bavaria?Comment
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...and for all that own "Combat badges of the Third Reich" and get confused now:
They show the bogus Juncker maker mark on the left glider badge(among other, good Juncker marks) on page 417 in glossary A as a reference.
The only time you can find this fake Juncker mark in the book on badges is on two fake badges (IMO):
-Heer flak by Juncker, page 153
-Heer para badge, page 141
Sorry if I seem to be on a crusade against this book. I am not, actually it is nice to have, but the grave mistakes have to made clear.
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Tucker shows it as OK in his earlier book. You know, I had my doubts and that's what got this badge to drive all the way over to my house for an inspection. We'll take more pictures on Tuesday. I was convinced holding the two badges one on top of the other and observing the cutouts on the wreath. I'm not an aguer as I usually have no legs to stand on, but wait until we can photograph the begezus out of this. Until then, get some sleep, drink plenty of HB and read the Sud Deutscher Zeitung. I bought this from someone who I think will take it back but I want to be absolutely sure.
And if you can't sleep, do your famous cut and paste comparison on the front. Just stay away from the top of the wreath in front. The die stamp didn't quite take there...Comment
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