Before you jump on this as a fake, it is a MINIATURE ribbon bar. But, I can't find good examples of the MINIATURE to compare. Any help would be appreciated.
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Very nice and I am inclided to say nice purchase, but the war merit medaille and mismatched swords kind of throws me off. What does the back look like?
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The back is covered with a felt like material. From what I've read aren't the two sets of swords near the middle from WWI awards?Comment
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Ixnay on the Erdten-Schway
Unless I am mistaken, which happens quite frequently (!), one of the WW1 ribbons seems to be an EK ribbon with swords attached. Nix, nein Frankenstein!
Not sure if the Hohenzollern ribbons had swords but I think they in fact DID. This bar may be a weak attemp to replicate a hohenz. award, but they got it wrong. Rick L. or Spiess-buerger (hah! just joking.. ) are sure to answer your questions more directly.
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...am I not seeing gold swords and a crown in this forum's examples here?
Link to WWI ribbons
and swords without crown here,"a Prussian Crown Order 4th Class on combatant war ribbon with Swords for a colonial campaign"
swords on ek ribbon?
Be nice, I'm not trying to pull something here, I just don't know...Comment
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Forum example is OK
but I can't see the crown on your example, and those swords look pretty silver to me. My damn eyes! Sorry.
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I didn't say mine had a crown Eric. I'm trying to submit that that ribbon might come with swords. I don't want to banter with you Eric I'm trying to figure this out...Comment
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Sorry for 'bantering'
Can you show the reverse of this mini bar? I know naught about
precedence and would like to learn. Hopefully by responding to your post it will stimulate some of the more learned folks on this Forum to chip in as well.
What are the dimensions of the bar? I've never heard of a mini ribbon bar, and the concept intrigues me. In what capacity were they used? I thought knopfloch ribbons were the smallest category.Comment
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I haven't got a clue. Besides a normal three ribbon bar, this is the only one I have. Could be from Toys 'R' Us. I don't know. Trying to see what's what myself...
Total length is 3.75 inches.
Width is .27 inches.
If this is not just a fantasy piece, I'll post more pics. I hope the experts check it out.Comment
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The combination is impossible, whatever its dimensions are.
While a lowly (VERY, extremely) War Merit Medal is occasionally found in the group of a teenaged scrap drive recipient or mobilized former factory worker, no career military personnel got such a civilian award. Nor was there ANYTHING that had silver swords on a Prussian combatant awards "Iron Cross" ribbon. Colonial awards, real ones, come with colonial medals: none here.
Although I have seen parts fraud ribbon bars as small as pairs, what inevitably trips the makers' up is their greedy desire for Where Eagles Dare length... whereupon the "story" the ribbons reveal unravels. This one simply cannot compute.
Also, the Spange device is the commonest fake, the "mashed marshmallow Easter chick" with one wing higher than the other. Count the white rows on the right side, from base of the 1939 bar to top of the wing: 6. Now do the same on the left side: 7.Comment
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Do you think the pieces are genuine or is the whole thing just good for a reenactment in the backyard?Comment
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These narrow 9 mm lapel device ribbons are quite unusual, weren't popular back then--too understated, I suppose--and this makes the first "ribbon bar" I've ever seen made out of them. I'd say, as is usually the case, that the parts are almost all original. Even the Marshmallow Chick, if I am reading your size right, might be OK just so TINY that true detail was impossible. I think I have a similar microscopic one on a single round prong in my odd and ends (always thought it was for soldering on a minis stickpin), if can find, will compare detail or lack thereof.
We'll have to watch for more of these, since the busy makers always work in BULK, unless this was somebody's "one off" and not a Commercial Product.
On the Article there is a scan of Field Marshal Blomberg wearing half-width ribbons-- that is 12.5 mm-- because he had so many, it was impossible to wear them all in one row, late 1930s. THAT width shows up very infrequently from Imperial times on in strange little ribbon bars.Comment
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I won't toss it in the furnace until you tell me to then...Comment
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YIKES!!!!
And I thought that sound was from the smoke alarm
I have been offered TWO ribbon bars since October that contain the War Merit Medal along with a group of other awards
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Hello:
What Rick is trying to say is that the War Merit Medal can be worn on a ribbon bar, but not by a 'war hero' like this (fake) gentleman. I have posted a few ribbon bars here with the War Merit Medal, but they are always combinded with something like the Luftschutz award, or KVK 2. Klasse with or without swords.
There were other awards given to officer or enlisted men. If I knew how to browse for a link, I could show you some of the photos I posted.
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