Remember Normandy

[dede6250]

Hello, who said that they bought that **** on ebay. good, the one I knew the smell and I think the seller if it is a collector's going to bite the fingers of selling because he has not done that expensive (250) and may run to find such a. small shell that comes from the para pocket CHAMBOIS, found at NEAUPHE SUR DIVE. I was reluctant to leave it as is but the evil I took it and left me a little oxalic acid then the bath. The hull is still solid but sad discovery cleaning with bone remains and hair. The guy who was wearing a bullet in the price which flatly head tore off part of the metal on the other side. as soon as the headset is back in the bath, the colors appeared without rubbing with the sponge, pure magic. I hope you enjoy it as me happy, this is the 5th Norman shell I made oxalic always with the hope of finding the holy grail but, good result.






Inside, I was not able to remove the rust, it is stronger than the outside.

detail of a chinstrap is also with cam. these have also been seems you cut with a knife.

Small staging that allowed me to discover the caliber that could have caused such a wrenching metal. This is the 45 caliber, caliber was drawn between Thompson and the other in 1911

small still life with elements on the same theme. it only remains for me now is to look for more about the battle that took place in NEAUPHE SUR DIVE, so as to give the story side of the object.

[Willi Z.]

Could have been, and more likely IMO, a 30-06 round to be able to penetrate like that.

[dede6250]

hello, no, no, not 30.06, I tried several warheads, the only returned is 45. the advice of a colleague sports shooter, shot at close range could do as much damage. He told me that the ball 45, even though it was heavy left at 900 meters a second. He told me that some guys were simply liquidated in fighting pocket in after him, it was more ss who had passed through the live weapons

[Jean-Loup]

I am also pretty sure a 45 could not inflict damage like this, particularly if the helmet was worn when it was shot. My first guess would be 50 caliber considering the appearance of the exit hole. There is only a 1,2 mm difference in diameter between the two calibers, and with the rust, the difference in size could easily be hidden. Additionaly, keep in mind that the diameter of the bullet casing you are using as a measuring tool is greater then the diameter of the bullet itself.

I have never seen a helmet that was combat damaged with a 50 caliber bullet so far.

[-Ray-]

I would say calculating the given distance to the point of impact + muzzle velocity + expanse of the projectile, and if worn it could probably indicate any of the three calibers of rounds mentioned?

Once read a bio (could have been band of brothers) how U.S. paratroopers in Normandy took a cart load of German helmets and deliberately shot holes in each one for appeal, then sold what they could to the Navy and rear echelon.

Nice helmet for it's condition and effect with lovely character and camo residue. You did a good reconditioning.


-Ray-

[Willi Z.]

The outside diameter of a .45 casing is .473" (I just used a digital caliper on a casing). The bullet diameter of a .50 cal round is .51". A .51" projectile is going to leave a hole larger than that in metal. That means a .45 casing (at .473") would easily fit in the hole made by a .51" projectile. A .45 ACP round seldom penetrates a steel drum and it certainly won't penetrate both sides of a steel drum. Have tried many, many times. The steel of a FJ shell is harder and thicker than a steel drum, and would be much harder for such a slow projectile (a .45 round does not have a velocity of 900 meters per second; a 230 gr military round is 830 feet per second) to penetrate a helmet as compared to a steel drum anyhow.

A 30-06 round is not going to drill a hole the same size, it will be larger, so IMO this was done by a 30-06 round. I have never fired at a FJ shell but have fired at alot of 1/4" steel plates and the 30-06 easily blasts through the plate and leaves a larger entry hole (though I don't recall the exact size of the hole). A softer and thinner steel, such as a helmet, would have even a larger entry hole.

[Richard schimpf]

beautiful relic of Normandy!

probably a helmet of the 3rd Division fj!
my favorite div... i'm very jealous!


(papa meindl)

[dede6250]

Thank you for all your different opinions interesting. on the helmet after study card battles, it could belong to a member of the 3rd FJ. I remember all the same that was discovered in Polish industry, you should know that these soldiers sometimes executed prisoners without difficulty. For the band of brothers series, I know that the scope of execution is a bit embellished but it existed anyway in Normandy, with soldiers raised their hands but did anyway down.

[kbec37]

i'm sorry but i think this shell is a fake ( chinese repro ),

[dede6250]

Why???

[kbec37]

c'est une copie car la coque n'a pas les marques specifiques lors de la presse de la tole d'acier , la face avant de la coque est typique des copies chinoises, la mousse noire n'est pas bonne, elle est trop dense, les jugulaires sont aussi des copies chinoises, vous pouvez d'ailleurs faire un simple test en brulant un bout de fil qui reste sur les jugulaires , il sera en nylon ( ca formera une petite boule de plastique au bout ) , et par ailleurs la presence de fil sur un casque de fouille ( je parle d'autentique jugulaire le fil est en coton et disparait totalement, sur votre exemplaire le fil brille et parait bien solide,donc pour moi tout ca fait beaucoup de mauvais detail, pas bon, desolé !

[dede6250]

Qu'est ce qu'il ne faut pas entendre, les chinois viennent entérer des casques en normandie maintenant. Vos afirmations sont ridicules. Je precise que j'ai retrouvé des cheveux au nettoyage du casque.

[kbec37]

faites le identifier avec plus de photos , on verra bien, peut etre que je me trompe mais j'en doute quand meme

[dede6250]

merci, je vais refaire d'autres photos mais certains autres membres ont donné leur avis favorable avant. pour une coque en bon état, je me serais moi meme douté mais là, dans cet état, la rouille et tout, c'est cohérent. Une coque vieillie artificiellement se reconnait quand meme. quelles photos de détails seraient utiles?

[Richard schimpf]

moi je ne trouve que la visiere fait trés proheminante mais ca vien peu etre des photos...

sinon fait des photos du replis de metal a l'interrieur en gros plan et de l'avant du casque de face et de profile.

malheureusement je ne peux pas dire mieux je base mes competences sur les casques que j'ai sortie moi meme en fouille.

pour la gomme si tu regarde bien cela doit faire une emprinte comme un maillage en tout petit bien sur.