Jump smock eagles

[John Hodgin]

Hey Steve,

Patrick has posted his smock before, on Eric's thread on tropical smocks. This was the first time I'd even seen a green smock that was not meliert.

So, what do you think?
Regards,
John

[Gran Sasso]

Patrick has posted his smock before.

No, this is the first time I have posted that one. The other one is mint, from the same manufacturer, but not with the same brownish-meliert lining.

That one here is a worn example in smaller size, which shows the same lining as the small piece of cloth still att. to the cut-out eagle from member "fldjr".

[John Hodgin]

No, this is the first time I have posted that one. The other one is mint, from the same manufacturer, but not with the same brownish-meliert lining.

That one here is a worn example in smaller size, which shows the same lining as the small piece of cloth still att. to the cut-out eagle from member "fldjr".

Interesting Patrick! So you have TWO! Please show a detail of the pocket lining material when you can.
Regards,
John

[Gran Sasso]

Interesting Patrick! So you have TWO! Please show a detail of the pocket lining material when you can.
Regards,
John

Hhhmmmm - so IYO my smocks made of not-grünmeliert material are now no longer "veteran postwar bought fakes"...?

[John Hodgin]

Hhhmmmm - so IYO my smocks made of not-grünmeliert material are now no longer "veteran postwar bought fakes"...?

One can always learn something new. Better details when you can please. Patrick, I have seen fake step in smocks produced of this material; back in the 80s. So, you might understand my caution. I am, and always will be, ever cautious.

[Gran Sasso]

One can always learn something new. Better details when you can please. Patrick, I have seen fake step in smocks produced of this material; back in the 80s. So, you might understand my caution. I am, and always will be, ever cautious.

No probelm for me that you are cautious - I am, too. But I cant understand why you think / thought my knowledge about green smocks is so basic, that I would have been fooled by a poor fake a veteran might have bought as a replacement... This really have given me a hard time.

So what details of what smocks do you wanna see? Maybee we should start another thread, as this one is "for eagles only".

[John Hodgin]

But I cant understand why you think / thought my knowledge about green smocks is so basic, that I would have been fooled by a poor fake a veteran might have bought as a replacement... This really have given me a hard time.

Patrick, this I did not know and I deeply regret. I am sorry! I had no idea my words should carry such weight; I thought Dan was the only one ever listening.

My caution was based on several aspects about these smocks.
1. I had never seen a green smock that was not meliert before. I would say they are quite rare, but this would be simplistic because all green smocks are rare. So, there are not so many green smocks to look at and thus make conclusions from. Last night I was trying to count the ones I know here in the States; less than 20, not near enough to know all about them.
2. The previous photos you posted were small and showed me no significant details. Seeing that tiny meliert piece of cloth on Fred's eagle told me to look at his eagle and your smock(s) closer.
3. Before seeing Fred's eagle I would have stated that all eagles on green smocks are sewn with ultra thick stitching, clearly this is not the case.
4. Then you posted the unmistakable BEHA maker's mark. No further consideration needed, 100% original!
Again I apologise Patrick. I owe you some beers and I will happily buy them! And I am happy to have learned from you.
Regards,
John

[Daniele Tirelli]

[quote=John Hodgin;2330658]Patrick, this I did not know and I deeply regret. I am sorry! I had no idea my words should carry such weight; I thought Dan was the only one ever listening.

[John Hodgin]

Hhhmmmm - so IYO my smocks made of not-grünmeliert material are now no longer "veteran postwar bought fakes"...?

Hey Partick,
Was re-reading the tan smock thread today and must say that I never stated your smock was a fake, I do admit I had doubts back then.

My actual comment was, "because a piece is "veteran acquired," is not a guarantee of authenticity." This comment I will maintain as accurate forever.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=156465

Regardless, do your green smocks have their original breast eagles? If so, I would very much like to see them posted here.
Thanks and regards,
John

[John]

On that Luft. Clothing was this Eagle Used??
picture 1 of 2

[John]

Picture 2 of 2

[grndevil44]

this looks like HBT backing with the eagle in white, some examples are HBT backed but with grey eagles, I have the grey version on my smock, further back in this thread.

It seems from viewing this thread that there is no real definitive eagle to smock type, later on at least, I imagine it would be what eagles where available at the time of manufacture? regardless of if it was a smock, jacket etc

looks good aswell

john

[John]

John,
Thank you for your reply.
John

[SMP]

John,
Your eagle is the type most commonly found on the green, 4-pocket Luft jacket made in HBT. Some can be found on HBT ground troop jackets , and a very small number can be found on at least one type of jump smock.
I am sure they can also be found on other, late-war Luftwaffe clothing. Perhaps others can help here.

Regards,
Steve

[Willi Z.]

Steve, you have covered it all. HBT eagles on FJ smocks are the extreme exception to the norm.